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Subject: FZ BIBLE 2/3 3RD ACC Tape 6 SYMBOLS & GROUP PROC Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology Message-ID: <01ec2abc7e28d2db64757ada9e95e4e3@anonymous.poster> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 754 Xref: newscene.newscene.com alt.religion.scientology:527301 alt.clearing.technology:64152 FREEZONE BIBLE ASSOCIATION TECH POST TAPE LECTURE 6 JAN 54 3RD ACC #6A/B Part 2 of 3 "SYMBOLS AND GROUP PROCESSING DEMO" Our purpose is to promote religious freedom and the Scientology Religion by spreading the Scientology Tech across the internet. The Cof$ abusively suppresses the practice and use of Scientology Tech by FreeZone Scientologists. It misuses the copyright laws as part of its suppression of religious freedom. The writings of LRH form our Old Testament just as the writings of Judiasm form the Old Testament of Christianity. We might not be good and obedient Scientologists according to the definitions of the Cof$ whom we are in protest against. But the Christians are not good and obedient Jews and yet are allowed to have their old testament regardless of any Jewish opinion. We ask for the same rights, namely to practice our religion as we see fit and to have access to our holy scriptures without fear of the Cof$ copyright terrorists. We ask for others to help in our fight. Even if you do not believe in Scientology or the Scientology Tech, we hope that you do believe in religious freedom and will choose to aid us for that reason. Thank You, The FZ Bible Association ************************************************** (This was a long 2 hour lecture packaged as two one hour lectures, number 6A and 6B. We need to post it in 3 parts to remain under the 32K limit of our posting techniques, so the break between 6A and 6B is in the middle of part 2 of 3.) Transcript of Taped Lecture by L. Ron Hubbard Third ACC 6A - 5401C06 January 6, 1954 "SYMBOLS AND GROUP PROCESSING DEMO" Part 2 of 3 (continued from part 1) (the reel change to part 6B is marked in the middle of this posting) Get you resisting his emotion now, for somebody else. Now - Get him resisting your emotion. Have him resisting your emotion for somebody else. Throw it away. Okay - now - Let's get you , let's get you resisting looking. All right - Let's get somebody else in front of you and get him resisting looking. Now - Get him resisting looking from you - resisting your looking. Have him resisting looking for somebody else. Throw him away - Get two people out in front of you and get one resisting the looking of the other. Now - have him resist the looking of the other for somebody else. Throw him away - Now, - Put somebody else in front of you and get you resisting this person's looking. Get you resisting this person's looking for somebody else. Okay - Throw him away. Now, - Get you resisting knowing. Okay - Put somebody else in front of you and get you resisting his knowing. Throw him away - Get somebody else in front of you resisting your knowing. Throw him away - Get two people in front of you, one resisting the knowing of the other. Now, - Get him resisting the knowing of the other for somebody else. All right - Throw that away - Get somebody in front of you resisting your knowing for somebody else. Throw that away - Get you resisting somebody else's knowing for somebody else. Okay - Now, - Let's get you resisting eating. Somebody else resisting eating. Get this somebody else specifically resisting your eating. Now, - Get him resisting eating you. Now, - Get you resisting eating him. Throw him away. - And, - Get two other people in front of you, each one resisting the eatingness of the other one. Okay Throw the away. Now, - Let's get you inhibiting symbols. You enforcing symbols. You desiring symbols. You being curious about symbols. Okay - Let's get somebody else in front of you and get this person inhibiting symbols. Get this person enforcing symbols. Get this person desiring symbols And, - This person being curious about symbols. Okay - Let's throw that away. - And, - Get two other people in front of you, one being inhibitive of the other's symbols. One inhibiting the other's symbols. One enforcing symbols on the other. One desiring symbols from the other. One being curious about the other's symbols. Okay - Throw it away. (Somebody knocked over an ash-tray). Make that ashtray crash. - Make the ashtray crash again. - Make the ashtray crash. - Now, make the ashtray crash and protect everybody from the noise. Okay - Let you waste symbols. What's a symbol? A word is a symbol. Get somebody else wasting symbols. Somebody wasting somebody else's symbols. Get you wasting somebody else's symbols. And, - Somebody else wasting your symbols. Throw it away. All right - Get you saving symbols. Get somebody else saving symbols. Now, - Let's get somebody else saving somebody else's symbols. Now, - Get somebody else saving your symbols. And, - You saving somebody else's symbols. Okay - Now, - Let's get you accepting symbols. Let's get somebody else accepting symbols. Now, - Let's get two people out there and get one of them accepting symbols from the other one. Get accepting symbols from the other one for somebody else - now. Throw them away. And,- Get somebody else in front of you and get you accepting symbols from him. Get him accepting symbols from you. Throw it away. Let's get you desiring symbols. Somebody else desiring symbols. Get other people desiring symbols from other people. Get you desiring symbols from somebody else. Somebody else desiring symbols from you. Get you being curious about symbols. Somebody else being curious about symbols. Somebody being curious about somebody else's symbols. Somebody curious about your symbols. You're being curious about somebody else's symbols. Get you wasting thinking. Somebody else wasting thinking. Somebody else wasting somebody else's thinking. Somebody wasting your thinking. You're wasting somebody else's thinking. Now, - Let's get for sure now. You wasting thinking. Now, - Let's get you saving thinking. Somebody else saving thinking. Somebody else saving somebody else's thinking. Somebody saving your thinking. You're saving somebody else's thinking. Get you accepting thinking. Somebody else accepting thinking. Somebody else accepting somebody else's thinking. Somebody accepting your thinking. And, - You accepting somebody else's thinking. And, - You desiring thinking. Somebody else desiring thinking. Somebody else desiring somebody else's thinking. Somebody else desiring somebody else to think. And, - Somebody desiring your thinking. And, - Somebody desiring you to think. And, - You desiring somebody else's thinking. And, - You desiring somebody else to think. You being curious about thinking. Somebody else being curious about thinking. Somebody being curious about somebody else's thinking. Somebody being curious about your thinking. And, - You being curious about somebody else's thinking. Okay - Let's get you wasting effort. And, - Somebody else wasting effort. Somebody wasting somebody else's effort. Somebody wasting your effort. You wasting somebody else's effort. And, - You saving effort. Somebody else saving effort. And, - Somebody else saving somebody else's effort. And, - Somebody saving your effort. And, - You saving somebody else's effort. And, - You wasting emotion. Let's really waste some emotion. Somebody else wasting emotion. (End of Part A) ******************* Transcript of Lecture by L. Ron Hubbard 3 ACC 6B - 5401C06 Taped on January 6, 1954 Symbols and Group Processing Demo (Continued from 3 ACC6A) (the lecture continues from the previous reel without a break) And, - You wasting looking. And, - Somebody else wasting looking. And, - You wasting knowing. And, - somebody else wasting knowing. Okay - Let's grab the two back anchor points of the room. Okay - You got it there? Which is the most effective - running a direct concept or wasting and so forth. - Come on, which is it? (Inaudible audience reply) Concept is more effective than wasting it on a --- Audience person: They do different things? They both do different things. What did it do to ya? Something. Well, all right. Come on, which do you find the most effective? Now let's make up your mind. (Audience response but not audible) Well, that's a nice refined narrow use of it. That you feel better when you wasted them. Well, that you'll find that to be the case. That's why I ran you on a concept first. But I evidently didn't make my point too well. Do you feel better now? Audience voices - "yes". Did you feel better when you finished running those concepts? Audience: - "yes". You felt better. It's pretty hard to make it unworkable. But the living crux of the matter is, is most of your preclears that come up won't be able to get even a concept of something except in a symbolical form until they've wasted it. Wasting is ... wasting better is the case and running the concept has a tendency to bog him you'll find by experience. Don't evaluate a technique by how deeply it flux your preclear out since he'll just eventually just run out of havingness, you know. He'll just run out of havingness and then we won't know quite what we're doing one way or the other. But wasting, saving, and so forth is better. All right. What did you get on symbols? Did you find out anything about yourself? Woman in audience answers: "I did it. I found out I've been doing it all my life." LRH: Doing what? Woman: "The brackets you were running. I suddenly discovered --(inaudible couple words) -- I've been doing, resisting this and resisting that, you know, pushing - and I found out people have been doing it to me all my life and I hadn't noticed." LRH: That's right, that's right. Well, I tell you it's a remarkable thing but people talk a lot about, "well, if other people didn't mess me up, and so forth, why, I'd get along all right". The truth of the matter is, they're really not very dangerous to each other. But ...They're really not - as people they're dangerous to each other, but you're not people. You get what I mean? It's a little abstruse maybe but you get what I mean? Voice from audience: "No" It's a little abstruse. I'm not insulting your intelligence. I mean ... it's just that there is a point there. If our purpose is to preserve a bunch of bodies and if we're sort of here on a mission of putting them all on ice, well, yeah, yeah, people can be very harmful to people. See that? But if we're here for the business of livingness which is not necessarily the business of preserving a body at all. Let me assure you, it's something very dramatic in throwing one away with great elan. Why, we find out that people are very far from dangerous to people but are necessary to complete livingness, and so we get pulled between these two things. Life's insistence upon survival, preserve, and repair and patch up and the static, theta, a thetan desire to live and an individual is caught between these two, these two points. Of course he's gotten lots of points but the main thing it is, is GEs sure like to live and golly, he sure has to preserve this body. Well now, when they start resisting, they get worried about preserving and that is about the only big major trap there is. It's resistance - resistance - if you can get somebody to resist something, why you'll just fix him all up. There is no truer truism than - that which you resist, you become. All right now, what's a symbol? (Audience replies but most not audible-the following are answers LRH honed in on.) Audience: A form of an idea? LRH: That's very close. Audience: Something that represents something else? LRH: That's very close. Audience: Something you deify? LRH: Yeah.- That's an ideal, that's not a symbol. That's all right, it's one of it's variable meanings. Well look, we have a lot of divergent ideas on what a symbol is. It happens that for our purposes in Scientology this thing called a symbol can be given a finite definition which will clarify a great deal of the work which we are doing. It's a very precise definition - very, very, very precise. That is: A symbol is an idea which is fixed in energy which is mobile. Which is mobile. Mob-i-le (pronouncing with long i ) in English. (Someone in audience speaks - inaudible on tape - but LRH answers.) Oh, the difference between a symbol and a postulate. Ah yes - we'll get to that in a minute. A symbol is a postulate which has already been fixed. A postulate is something which an individual makes. When he has made a postulate he thereafter may fix it in a mass and give it mobility. Now let's ... Yes ... Woman in audience speaks: Would a symbol be a way of describing automaticity while processing? LRH: Yes, yes - that's where we're going. You're a very, very bright girl this morning. Did the processing do it or a night's sleep? Audience woman: I was in apathy all night and now I'm coming up again. LRH: Why were you in apathy? Woman: Idon't know (laughing). Don't blame the auditor - she's a very good auditor. LRH: I would never have thought of it, unless you mentioned it. Who's the auditor? (Jokingly) Let's chastise her (laughing). All right now, let's take a look at this thing called a symbol and let's look at that definition. And now let's take another definition - let's take the definition of work in physics. We all know what work is - don't we? But in physics, work is a very finite definition. Now, when you say work in the science of physics, you mean what pounds of energy - you mean the distance mass gravity factor. You're talking about something terrifically finite. You understand that? So, let's understand right here, the difference between a, you might say, a type of definition which amounts to a law and a definition out of a dictionary on a word. You see, they can vary slightly. Now, if we take this thing called symbol - and we give it the definition we have just given it - and if we use that definition, we are thereafter able to understand and codify a great deal of livingness and see what is taking place in this livingness. It broadens somewhat the definition of symbol. A postulate is something that you can give or take, or pull, or hand out, or do almost anything with. But when you make a postulate into a symbol, you have surrounded the symbol with mass, energy of one kind or another, and you have granted it mobility. You have fixed it in energy and granted it a mobility. It's a neat trick - isn't it? Now let's take a symbol - the letter, A, the article "a" in the English language and you see, that the moment we put it into the airwaves, we have given it some mass and handed it some mobility. Well, this makes it very difficult to locate. The theta, according to the prelogics, creates space and time and energy in which to locate things. It is very happy when it is fixing things accurately in space and your preclear will get as well as he can fix things accurately in time and in space and he's very happy about that, you see. Now, let's take this thing he does with this thing we call a symbol. Aha, boy, hah! A wonderful thing - we wrap it up in energy and then we give it mobility and after that it's lost but it's still there, so it compounds into invisible barriers and into the most confounding and incomprehensible of puzzles. Take the letter "A" in the English language. Let's garb it in printer's ink, put it in a book, and then the book moves out of the library and on to laps and back on to shelves and back on to laps, and here it goes, and it's got this letter "a", this article "a" and it's a symbol, and it just keeps on moving and you never keep track of it afterwards. The only thing which can pierce sixteen inch armor plate is a symbol. A bullet is not, accurately speaking, a symbol. All a bullet is, is some mass. Now, it can be mass with meaning. It could be a silver bullet, but just a bullet is just a mass. You could set it up and say, now this is a symbol of war and discuss it and give meaning to it. As long you use it actively and expend it, create it and expend it and locate it and fix it, it's not a symbol. It's just mass. See that? It's a piece of energy. But now let's take the letters "a" and put it in printers ink. All right now, let's take another symbol, we'll call it police. It's a word isn't it? That's all it is, a word. All right, we take this word and we garb it in energy, we give it an ideal, we make it mobile and we get it lost and then we don't know where it is, and the next thing you know, it's after us. You see that about police? You don't for a moment ... now, let's take, let's take somebody who's present here. This person has been trained in judo. He is really an expert in judo. He is very good with a Colt pistol, extremely good with a Colt pistol. His alertness is good and his reaction time is much better than normal. All right! Will you please tell me why this person should be afraid of a police officer? A police officer is seldom a good shot, is poorly, if at all, trained in judo and has reaction time which is mostly fat. And yet if a police officer walked in the door and said, come down to the jail with me and lose two days, this fellow would probably go along with him. Why? Why? It's nonsensical. Well, it's because the individual here has a symbol called police. Well now let's suppose this individual didn't have a symbol called police and didn't know the meaning of police, and had no further significance to police and some character in a uniform walked in the door and flourished a gun on him - hah, he'd just bury the guy that walked in at the door, that's all. You see that? Life would be awfully simple, wouldn't it, if we didn't have a symbol. It would be simple, direct and without a long time lag because the only real trouble with police is, if he killed this fellow, then some more police would come tomorrow, he thinks, according to the symbol. Actually they might not, they might say, we better not arrest that fellow. You see whither we are going with this thing called symbol. It's an embrasive idea and it gets fixed in mass and because it's mass and a thetan is often hungry for energy, he will pick up one of these things and because he objects to their confounded mobility, he will try to hold one still and after that, having resisted it, he will become it. A body could be said to be a symbol. It's mobile, it's an idea, it's fixed in mass, and we find, strangely enough, that a thetan who believes he's a body has already adopted a great number of ethics, ideals, and otherwise, and fixations and arbitraries, and when we start to process him, we exteriorize him and he says, "I'm not a body." Hah! And what do you know, you shed at that moment an enormous number of the arbitraries which have been holding him into a persistence in life and denying him livingness. He hasn't any action or anything else as long as this takes place. He's fluidity. So, the effort of the individual to fix and unfix ideas in matter, in energy, shows up immediately and intimately on the business of the symbol. Right! So, these dam things float around and people try to nail them down. A bibliophile is actually trying to nail down a bunch of symbols. He thinks they're valuable and desirable. He didn't start that way. That which a person resists, he will eventually find very valuable and very necessary. He wants it, he knows he wants it. Symbols - It's a fantastic thing if an entity shows up, or something like that, if you're exteriorized someplace and you all of a sudden see this character. By the way, I don't know that a thetan is the only livingness - I just happen to know that you're a thetan, you see. But, I also don't know if there's such a thing as an evil demon that exceeds the value and power of a thetan and as a matter of fact, I know quite the contrary. Those things which show up in that form succumb with such speed that they appear to be more symbols than anything else. All right.... Yes (to someone in audience) Woman asks: "Would you say a symbol was an enforced idea directed at man?" LRH: Nope, nope - you've already limited it It might be an invited idea. It might be a very pleasant idea. It might be a hidden idea. Don't add intention to the symbol. Intention is entirely separate from this definition. There's symbols and then can add all sorts of intentions to all kinds of symbols. Let's take the symbol called - freedom. Let's print it up on a poster, that puts it in mass and then the poster can appear almost any place. And then somebody comes along, some politician, and starts screaming freedom. Well, what's this politician want to do? He wants to do some slavery. So, what's his intention with regard to the symbol? The symbol is a weak and will-less thing which is a tool in the hands of anyone and depends for it's existence, as do all things except the static itself, on agreement. And when you have grasped this principle entirely and completely, you will understand - not only what an engram is, what an aberration is, and what your preclear is frantic about. A thetan fixes and unfixes ideas in energy. When he builds something, he fixes it in energy. Rather simple, isn't it? When he takes something down, he unfixes an idea out of energy. Now he's got all these floating ideas in energy. They're mobile - they go all around. He can't locate them, they're here today, and gone tomorrow. Will-o-the-wisp. It's a Fabian warfare he fights. So he gets a passion for having everything nailed down and this passion sticks him on the time track - fixes him in energy - masses such as engrams - gives him automaticities - makes him do all the damnedest foolest things you can think of. A symbol has a greater liability than it has a value. But it has a great value. If we continued to talk or converse directly as a fluid flow of ideas, our beingness would at once be very perceivable but by avoiding, by hiding, we can put our ideas into symbols and then transmit them, and the symbols so transmitted then do not disclose what we may wish to hold back as our basic intention. And so we get everybody looking through the symbol to find the meaning behind it, and this is a constant dramatization on the part of a thetan. He looks through the symbol to find what's behind it. In such words, to him, are invisible barriers. They're barriers because they're made out of mass. They actually have mass. You can cut some out of a book sometime and weigh them if you want to. Spoken words actually have mass. You can put up a kinecotometer and talk at its gas flame and you will see immediately that something is vibrating that gas flame. Something which is not just wind but a vibration is activating the particles of air and so we have a fluid flow of ideas which are yet floating along in an energy mass. Now we start to process an engram out of somebody and we find out that we're running one of the most complex symbols you ever looked at. It's got, lord knows how many perceptics in it, and it's got all kinds of things. Wonderful gimmick - an engram. Now you start to process this engram today and you think you'll finish it off tomorrow but it's gone and then it recurs six months from now. In other words, it has mobility. When you are pursuing exclusively the course of searching for and eradicating the symbol you are just dramatizing whole track because a thetan has really never done anything else in terms of worry, or anxiety, or upset, and so forth. As long as he can get in there and shoot, he's all right. As long as he can get in there and build a house and tear it down, he's all right. As long as he can put up a great big beautiful mock up that's just pretty or blow one up, he's all right. As long as he can engage in a game which has an actual finite football and chase that football up and down the field and knock people flat and do all sorts of things, he's all right. But the second he begins this endless task, this endless chase of the symbol that the findingness of the hidden meaningness behind thee, he's a lost dog because the symbol is lost, and so the thetan who tries to locate them himself, gets lost And the lost feeling which an individual has is the pursuit of the symbol, not the pursuit of a great big oak tree. Not the pursuit of this and not the pursuit of finite things, solid things, and not even the pursuit of thought. Thought itself is not necessarily a flock of symbols. Now, you understand that? Thought is postulates. Now a thetan in his ideal state can make a postulate and make it stick and make it act and take it up and throw it out. Now he can, in his ideal state, make a symbol and tear one up. He can explode one that comes in to him, he can blow it, he can release it, he can change his mind. But once he has become so engrossed in this search for the meaning behind symbols that he has accumulated, lord knows how many, in packed masses, when he is no longer able to face up to them, when he believes that symbols are more powerful than he - he the creator of symbols, you see, is now being bludgeoned by the symbols - that's an engram in restimulation - the creator of engrams, you might say, suddenly finds himself being hit by engrams. He believes that he, himself, must be of a lower order of symbol, so therefore he must have mass, so therefore he can't make postulates, so therefore he can't undo postulates, so therefore when he makes up his mind wrongly, it stays made up wrongly. Why? Well, because he can't undo this. And so, out of fixing and unfixing ideas and the floating and mobile character of symbols, we actually get the mechanical, the mechanical side of sanity and aberration. We also get the mechanical side of exteriorization. The deeper an individual gets into symbols, the harder he is to exteriorize because he believes he is a symbol, he thinks he has mass. So, he thinks he has mass, why he holds the mass he thinks he is, in close to him, and it doubles terminals on him, it matched terminals on him. And he starts to get out of the body and he can't even pull space between two terminal adequately and so, he having mass, can't stay out of the body. The other thing is, is when he leaves a large mass he has a feeling of degradation. So he doesn't think he's anything, so he goes back in his head again. Now, when you have a good command of what a symbol is, and the chasing of symbols this way, and when you get an understanding of what a thetan is, and that he is a static, he is a static which can place itself or perceive from himself at any point over any set of particles, at will and instantaneously, why we see that we are trying to remove a preclear up the scale from the point of being a mass, or a symbol, or an answer, up toward a point where he is creative and where he can make postulates, and so on. The second he can do this, he can impose space on terminals and he can exteriorize very easily. He has no difficulty in retaining his identity but he has his identity all mixed up with symbols. (lecture continues in part 3) **************************************************