 This is the lecture of December 11th, first hour afternoon. And we 
 have here a few little things, odds and ends that we should button up about 
 this and that. 
 
 Got a textbook, SCIENTOLOGY 8-8008. And the actual truth of the 
 matter is that uh.. your text is a highly precise rundown - highly precise 
 from the standpoint of very little space devoted to anything. The data is 
 there, but has about the same adroitness as a Browning machine gun. It uh.. 
 just says, "fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact, fact." And uh.. it 
 disposes of, on page 38, all past methods of processing, in the following pl 
 paragraphs - 38, "Methods of running. There are many methods of running --
 facsimiles and handling ridges and flows. These have been covered in other 
 publications. All of them have validity and can advance cases. g.'~ W
 
 "In the present publication there are only two processes which are 
 stressed and these processes are superior to others published prior to 
 December 1st, 1952. 
 
 "A great many tests have established the fact that two processes, 
 both of them simple, produce far better results than any of the others. 
 
 "The title SCIENTOLOGY 8-8008 means the attainment of.. of infinity 
 by the reduction of the MEST universe as apparent infinity to zero, and the 
 increase of the zero of one's own universe to an infinity of one's own 
 universe. 
 
 "This road is attained by postulate processing and creative 
 processing. To run any incident or use any process, it is necessary for the 
 auditor to have a very sound idea of what he is doing; and to this end it is 
 recommended that he know and be able to use the following processes. 
 
 "Processing. The code, the theta entity, the entities, running 
 engrams, running secondaries, running locks, concepts and feelings, running 
 ridges, circuits, running live flow, freeing the thetan by concept and 
 feeling, freeing the thetan by present and future randomity, freeing by 
 dichotomies, freeing by tone scale, freeing the thetan by orientation, 
 freeing the thetan by positioning and exhaustion of flows." 
 
 End of paragraph. The next one is, "Postulate Processing," which is 
 one of the things. 
 
 Now uh.. it's.. it's what you call.. what you call the amount of 
 space occupied here. There's 38 - that's about two-thirds of the page. Uh.. 
 the amount of data that really occupies that small two-thirds of a page there 
 has been the subject of, let us say, oh, I should say offhand, a million and 
 a half words, two million written words - something like that. And I don't 
 know how many words of lectures. 
 
 Now if you want to go over this and look it over step by step, it is 
 pretty important that you have some conversance with this, because an auditor 
 will start running some sort of a.. he'll just run postulates and all of a 
 sudden, boom! Or he'll all of a sudden start running mock-ups. Or he'll 
 suddenly start going through exercises of lifting and Boom! There'll be 
 phenomena lying there. And he'll think he's looking at something that is just 
 - oh boy! I mean gosh! 
 
 "You mean when you start to lift uh.. the lifting exercises and so 
 on, with.. with.. with energy, you.. you mean that.. and.. and the preclear's 
 got a log across his legs?" And he'll say, "That's very funny. Log across his' 
 legs. Now let's see. I know some about Freudian symbolism and uh.. log across 
 
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 his legs, this is probably uh.. ear envy. And uh.. uh.. let's see now. That
 probably associates itself in some fashion or another as.. it's a.. you said
 it's a log?" 
 
 And the fellow said, "Yeah, yeah. It's a log. The log's. lying right
 here across my legs and that's why I can't lift one of my legs." 
 "Let's see now uh.. oh, it's a log! It's got bark on it." 
 "Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah!" 
 "Oh, you don't like dogs. Okay here we go." 
 
 Now that can be the subject of a long dissertation about the fact.. 
 they always start in this way. The squirrels are wonderful. They spend two 
 seconds observing, uh.. five minutes contemplating the glories of having 
 observed, and then many months talking about the phenomena. 
 
 But uh.. nowhere along this track do you find very much data. And.. 
 and I would be the subject of many letters uh.. long letters describing this
 log across the preclear's legs. That's.. that's right - I mean, this has 
 happened time after time. This falls into the band of facsimiles and it would
 fall into the category of probably a past-life facsimile. 
 
 We were trying one exercise last night, Nibs and I, just fooling 
 around, and so forth. We were knocking facsimiles into view faster than any
 auditor has ever been able to locate them in the past, by doing what? By 
 trying to lift his ankle, that's all. He was lying down, he was just trying
 to lift his ankle, he was fooling around with it rather arduously by snapping
 anchor points around - just interesting stuff. And first he found (you don't
 mind my mentioning this) uh.. first he found three corpsmen holding him down
 in a tonsillectomy and he blew them through the roof. And uh.. then he found
 a log across his legs and uh.. blew that out. And then he found eight times
 when that leg had been fractured, and uh.. four times when the other leg had
 been fractured. And uh.. that's all back along the track somewhere. 
 
 These.. these facsimiles just kept flying off, flying off. Of course,
 he couldn't lift his leg because of all these facsimiles. 
 
 Well now, uh.. the way he handles facsimiles, of course, he says,
 "Look, another picture" and uh.. pitches it out the nearest window, or.. or
 uh.. makes it disappear down the time track or something. 
 
 But uh.. preclears that you're working uh.. initially don't have this
 skill. They.. they.. they say, "A log across the leg - okay. My agreement 
 with the MEST universe says if I have a picture of a log across the leg,then
 I have a picture of a log across the leg, that isn't a picture of a log 
 across the leg, that's actually a log. Therefore I pick up the weight factors
 in that log which is lying across the leg and I pick up all the other 
 perceptics I had and let's not forget the emotion on the thing. Ah, I'd 
 better feel like I'm dying. Okay, here I go." 
 
 And you could sit there and snap your fingers over this preclear for
 some time uh.. insisting that he get this log across his legs by uh.. get it
 off or on and so forth, in order to handle the facsimile. 
 
 Well, of course, you're handling the facsimile to get it into 
 position so that it can be run. A person who cannot run a facsimile is simply
 unable to get the facsimile into the position where it can be run. That is,
 he could not move a picture before him, behind him, above him, below him and
 
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 into last week. You get the idea? That's why he can't get the facsimile to 
 run - it's very simple. We'll just short-circuit all that. You.. you.. you 
 just get the person so that he can handle a facsimile, or handle a picture,
 handle nock-ups and pictures in this fashion - make them appear and disappear
 and increase and decrease and turn upside-down and the content.changed. And
 uh.. the next thing you know, why you've got yourself a nice smooth uh.. 
 facsimile there that uh.. can be picked up and thrown out the window - it 
 doesn't have to be run. If.. if you can orient it to this degree, well why 
 run it? The guy's handling it, isn't he? And if his handling uh.. is of this
 nature, why uh.. let it go. Increase his ability to handle it. 
 
 Now just above that level, you'll start picking up the agreements 
 which are sub to a postulate but are sort of a postulate. It's.. it's.. a 
 postulate is something the fellow himself makes, and an agreement would be 
 his co-postulating or his agreement with somebody else's postulate. That is,
 acceptance of somebody else's illusion which would be, of course, delusion 
 for him. 
 
 Now uh.. therefore uh.. an auditor who doesn't know the basic 
 manifestations and what can happen uh.. can have these things sort of fly 
 into his face and get in his road and upset him and all that sort of thing.
 They're liable to think all sorts of things. 
 
 If they haven't seen some of these things in operation, they don't 
 know they are there, and believe me, they'll start to use an innocent little
 gimmickahoojit like.. like mock-up processing. And all of a sudden Room! 
 Boom! Boom! There'll be all sorts of phenomena. Now here'll come.. all of a
 sudden the preclear's.. you can practically see his hair standing straight 
 back. And.. and you say, "I wonder what's happened? I wonder what's happened?
 I mean, I've never seen anything like this. It must be some sort of an 
 electrical disturbance in his vicinity someplace. And I just saw his hair 
 standing up and - and uh.. that's very interesting because that lightning 
 bolt that keeps flashing there uh.. between his hands uh.. certainly 
 should..." 
 
 "Let's write an article for the American Medical Association for this
 and.. and say that electricity, when used on a preclear, is very bad because
 the electricity which goes through an E-meter uh.. seems to build up somehow
 and uh.. gets up to the level of developing lightning bolts. And uh.. this is
 what happens with E-meters and this is what E-meters do." 
 
 You see, he could draw a completely different conclusion. He every 
 once in a while will get ligh.. get lightning bolts shooting around the 
 place. Or he'll just have some simple mock-up.. have this girl - "Oh, you've
 got a headache? Well, have this beautiful girl stand behind your head." You
 see, you can use mock-up processing without theta clearing somebody and you
 can knock out chronic somatics boom! - boom! 
 
 You say, "All right, mock up this beautiful girl and have her stand 
 behind your head - you have a nice headache there - and then have her.. have
 her patting your head. That's fine, now have her come around to the front of
 you and sort of stroke your hair down on that side. That's fine. Now have her
 move around to the side of you and put a green gown on her and have her pull
 off a small section of the skull, quietly and pleasantly, to find the 
 headache. Oh, yes, yes. Now have her sew it up real good so that it won't get
 away. And now have her turn your head back and forth." 
 
 And the fellow will say, "Say, you know, there seems to be some kind
 of an electrical storm going on around here." What you're doing is blowing a
 ridge like mad, see. I mean, you're not.. you're not just talking about this
 beautiful girl. 
 
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 The physical universe says, "Agree with me! Agree with me! Please! 
 Please! Please! I'll give you the seas, the stars, everything if you'll just
 agree with me and.. and uh.. uh..." That's its latter stages. Its earlier 
 stages, it says, "Oh, you're disagreeing with me. Well, I'm going to ruin 
 hell out of you." And it starts saying "Rowrr!" 
 
 Well, any one of these things can result in lightning bolts passing 
 from the left hand to the right hand. Any one of these things can result in..
 in fabulous manifestations, which are fabulous if you don't know what they 
 are, and they're really very simple. 
 
 So, when you start to do mock-up processing, don't think you're 
 avoiding handling - you're NOT avoiding handling. You're not doing,ruck-up 
 processing in order to make these manifestations occur. You're doing mock-up
 processing to make all such manifestations stop occurring for ever more until
 the end of time, such as ridges blowing, flows running, facsimiles jumping up
 and getting out of line, uh.. locks being picked up, people getting upset 
 because this and that happens to 'em. You're just ending this sort of thing.
 
 Y.. and the sooner you can bring it to a full halt... I'll have to 
 stop.. stop talking about smoking brakes. Every time we were running an 
 incident last night with Nibs, he got brake smoke because he'd stopped 
 himself from going in some direction or another. Room got practically loaded
 with it. Wasn't good lining he was using either. He's had some kind of a 
 scarcity complex or other - cheap lining. 
 
 Anyway, uh.. the.. the list of phenomena should be at an auditor's 
 fingertips and should be easily identified by him, so that he never turns a
 hair. And I've just given you here a.. really, a list of phenomena which is
 covered EXHAUSTIVELY in past processes. It's just covered. There's just ways
 of running this.. this - Oh, my God! The last time I got uh.. a small count
 of the number of surefire, positive, handy jim-dandy little techniques for 
 handling black and white flows, I had over 80 techniques. 
 
 And somebody wrote in the other day and said, "You know, I have a 
 technique for handling black and white flows." Boy, that's just.. that.. 
 that's.. that's like.. that's like uh.. uh.. taking a cubic foot of smoke to
 Pittsburgh - just pointless. 
 
 Now I have no doubt that there exist somewhere in that - in man or in
 beingness - types of thing which have not been cataloged adequately, since 
 this was not a cataloging job at any time; it was an action research. And it
 wasn't a research. It was the first look. And it was just action - there it
 is, how do we handle it? 
 "Why does he act that way?" 
 "Oh, here's 8 reasons why he acts this way." 
 "How many ways can we get to solve these?" 
 "Oh, we've got 52 reasons for every one of the 8." 
 "Okay." 
 
 And that was about the kind of research it was. It wasn't saying, 
 "Now, let's carefully make a big, big catalog here: specimen 872 - Engrams 
 when they are on the left-hand port quarter of the starboard side of the 
 ruddy-rods uh.. have in them, when they contain sonic perceptics, 1.682 ohms
 of resistance when in the proximity of..." I mean, no scientist did this job.
 
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 See, that's very obvious. It's very obvious because there's no catalog goes
 along with it. But there are frames of thinking which include all this 
 phenomena. And you're getting here, actually, when we take a rundown on this,
 frameworks of existence of phenomena. Something is going to fall in.. well,
 if you find something it'll fall into one of these baskets. 
 
 Now uh.. it'll fall into the baskets of pictures uh.. in motion or in
 black and white or in color, which are still or motion pictures. And uh.. 
 they will fall into the catalog.. that's they contain all perceptics and 
 there are over a hundred perceptics in each one of these pictures - it's 
 quite remarkable. 
 
 And that catalog or that frame expands out, then, to embrace what? 
 Energy. Okay, I mean.. and we're right there on the common denominator. And
 when we start to handle energy we run into the framework of space. And so it
 falls into these categories. 
 
 Now the second we look at an object - "Arthritic knee" - we know that
 we will find on it dammed up flows, energy not free somehow to run, we'll 
 find the preclear out of communication with it - we've got ARC - he's out of
 communication with his own leg. And we could solve this in several ways. We
 can just hire a couple of.. of gremlins uh.. and uh.. get the preclear to 
 hire 'em, and string some telegraph wire uh.. down through to that knee. Or
 we could install pump mechanisms and uh.. and all sorts of things in order to
 get circulation flowing through the knee again. That's one of the most 
 interesting mock-ups is to get somebody working on something like an 
 arthritic knee. 
 
 "All right, let's mock up.. now let's mock up a.. a pneumatic drill.
 Okay. We've got that pneumatic drill? Now let's start busting up some 
 pavement with it. Okay. Now let's move the pavement around back of your back
 and start busting it up back there. All right." 
 
 "Now let's move 1t up above your head and start breaking it up there,
 and let's change the pneumatic drill to one of these great big widow-makers,
 the kind they take cliffs down with, you know? And let's start busting up 
 pavement with that. All right. You're gettin' that. And you see it's falling
 down on you. Well,' take one of those pieces - now make it fall upwards." 
 We've finally accomplished that. Put it down below his feet and that sort of
 thing, and then put the whole thing into yesterday. He can't put it into 
 yesterday so we go to some gradient scale and we take a toothpick and we put
 that into yesterday. We take all kinds of things that have no real value and
 we put those into yesterday. We make them disappear. 
 
 Then we find out if he's making them disappear by dropping black 
 curtains over them or stopping looking at them. Uh.. and we solve that by 
 letting him put lots of black curtains over them, and so forth, and still 
 pick it up and find out it's still there. You'll find out after a while it's
 still there unless he makes it disappear. 
 
 And uh.. we.. we then drill him, "How do you know you had breakfast
 in 1932?" 
 
 The fellow says, "Well, I'm still alive." 
 
 And uh.. in other words, we solve time right on the spot. The first
 moment that we find out there is something flukey about him making things 
 disappear, we just go on a gradient scale of havingness. We.. we get him 
 drilled until he can have or not have a picture, or have or not have an 
 object. 
 
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 Now the worst gradient scale of the whole thing is to actually give 
 him a toothpick, a MEST universe toothpick, and say, "Okay, you got this MEST
 universe toothpick?" And he'll look at it and he'll say, "Yes." 
 
 And.. and.. and, "All right, now. Take it over and throw it out the 
 window." 
 
 Do you know how many preclears won't do it? They're really psycho 
 when they won't do that. They've got a toothpick and it might have some 
 value, it might be connected to something or other, and so the best thing to
 do with this toothpick is sort of stick it in your pocket. 
 
 Some of them, real, real bad ones, won't even give it back to the
 auditor. That's just a gradient scale of things disappearing, you see. Time
 is just a trick method of making something disappear. 
 
 Time is havingness, and when time i.. goes along the line you get 
 changingness in havingness - I mean you get alteration in havingness, and.. 
 or you can make something disappear. Well, you get anything to alter enough,
 you can get it altered small enough until he can't see it. And then you say,
 "Hey, it disappeared, didn't it?" 
 
 "Oh, no," he said, "I finally did it." 
 
 Uh.. that just.. just run him onto that basis and then the next thing
 you know uh.. what.. what do you.. what do you do with this arthritic knee? 
 Well, it hasn't got any circulation in it or something of the sort. So we 
 take a knee uh.. uh.. any kind of a knee, and we put it way out there - can't
 get a knee. So take an elbow. Work with this elbow until we finally take this
 pneumatic drill which he already knows how to use and bust.. and then case 
 the elbow in concrete and then break the concrete off the elbow. And just go
 through gradient steps like this until we finally have.. up the line we 
 finally have, oh, probably, great big pumps and uh.. all sorts of prevention
 mechanisms installed, mechanical devices of all kinds and descriptions, 
 doctors standing around in attendance, mechanics standing around in 
 attendance on the machinery, uh.. hot and cold running waitresses standing 
 around to serve tea to the mechanics uh.. all of this stuff. 
 
 And we've got this, and the.. and the person finally says, "You know,
 the hell with this knee." You know how fast that knee will go away? Just
 blink.. just in a blink, if you do it right. 
 
 Yeah, everybody knows it takes a long time for arthritis to go away. 
 But if you've done a proper job on the thing, it's gone, "blink". And it 
 might come back tomorrow, a little bit of it, you know? Just take him and 
 renew all this machinery and make it much better and uh.. fix it up much 
 better and they say, "You know, I can't get any sympathy for this knee. Of 
 course, I'm not so sure that I need sympathy by now." 
 
 But uh.. on its recurrence, on a recurrence of a symptom, you always 
 can expect a symptom to flash back on the preclear once in a while. Don't 
 worry about it (the preclear will) uh.. why, get.. get this knee and put it 
 up in a.. shop window on Main Street and have all kinds of people coming by 
 and looking at it and feeling so sad because of the knee, you see? And then 
 put it there as part of an underwear ad. And have them come by and feel so 
 sorry for this knee. And then have all the members of the family come in very
 carefully. And then have the knee crowned with a crown and set on a throne so
 it can rule the whole world - I mean, any way you want to go this way, see. 
 
 All of a sudden they'll say, "The hell with this thing! Why did I 
 
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 ever bring this up?" Well, that's right. They brought it up Lord knows how
 long ago, as a mechanism. 
 
 In other words, mock-ups directly apply to these things. 
 
 What are you doing to it? You're really doing this to it: You're 
 taking a part of the body which is disowned and for which the person is not
 responsible. A person has decided that that part of the body is harmful to
 him and he has actually cut communications with it and will not let it 
 communicate in any direction. 
 
 This is very silly, because it stops its flows. It can't flow. How 
 the dickens can arthritis dissolve if the various glandular uh.. secretions
 and so on in the blood stream that pick up calcium uh.. if.. if they don't
 uh.. go through the area? Or if the blood flow is slow through the area? So
 you get deposits, just as a river when it turns a corner leaves silt. Now 
 uh.. you've got a physiological condition. First, you.. you just got concrete
 sitting in there. Well, just don't try to solve it in terms of physical 
 structure. True enough, a person can get sick. He can get sick from bacteria.
 Bacteria exist as far as he permits them to exist. If he's down tone scale,
 he'll permit bacteria to exist like mad. So he has bacteria and everybody has
 agreed ever since Pasteur that the.. all these diseases were caused by it.
 Sure enough, they probably were. There were other factors involved, but 
 there's still bacteria. 
 
 The guy can still get chewed up by bubonic plague or yellow fever or
 cholera. Let him drink some water which has carefully had placed in it, as
 they do in China - I think they have little Chinese coolies around on all the
 streams to drop in uh.. Asiatic cholera into the stream at so many.. so many
 cholera cysts per cubic inch of water. I think it's an awful lot of trouble,
 but I'm sure they do that, because I've never seen a sample of water in China
 that didn't look like a menagerie, You look at it through a microscope. 
 
 And by the way, the Asiatic cholera cyst is a fascinating thing. It
 won't dissolve in chlorine. Oh, I mean you can drop it into a heavy chlorine
 solution and leave it for hours and hours and hours - a heavier chlorine 
 solution than you'd dare drink - and just leave it there for hours and hours
 and hours. And take it out and it's just as alive - fascinating. That thing
 has really had things fight it! And is it armor-plated and protected! The way
 you do it, you boil water for about 10 minutes. Don't eat vegetables, though,
 because, my Lord! If you ate vegetables that had Asiatic cholera spore on 
 them.. why, you could spray them with potassium permanganate. That ruins the
 flavor of the vegetable but you feel you have to have green stuff. As a 
 matter of fact, you can get so craving, the phys.. GE can crave greenery to
 such a degree that he'll even do that - he'll s.. dip things in things like
 potassium permanaganate and hope that it'll do something to the bacteria. It
 won't - not the Asiatic cholera. 
 
 And uh.. the preclear can get sick from this cause, yes sir. The GE
 has agreed for a long time that he suddenly and inexplicably became sick. 
 Well he went into apathy and didn't observe bacteria any more. There's no 
 reason why he can't look at bacteria. They can shoot a guy up with penicillin
 or something like that, or make him well from bacteria and fever. 
 
 Of course, it is true that the bacteria can't fasten upon him unless
 he's weak in some fashion or another. But outside of that and the fact that
 you have to treat.. treat a broken leg, and if a fellow has a tourni.. is..
 if the fellow is bleeding to death, and pumping blood all over the place, 
 this is no time to sit down and audit. Put a tourniquet on him. Uh.. because
 uh.. the thetan becomes inaccessable when his standard communication line,
 
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 the body, goes out. Uh.. he doesn't if he's up tone scale, but uh.. this is
 not the preclear I'm talking about. 
 
 All right, this means then that as far as a permanent structural goal
 is concerned, the devil with it! Don't.. your.. your fella.. don't let him
 get operated on to have his tonsils removed or something of the sort, or 
 teeth pulled on the theory that this is going to alter his condition 
 permanently. That won't. You see, this is a chronic condition - it's 
 something that extends over a long period of time, and so on. If it extends
 over a period of time, his havingness on it is, of course, very great. Right?
 So it isn't going to be solved by tinkering around with surgery or something
 of the sort. 
 
 If it's an acute condition, just had an automobile accident, yes, you
 can solve the reason he has automobile accidents. If he's just had one and
 his throat's half cut - sew him up. Uh.. emergency surgery or surgery which
 is directly addressed to an acute illness - he's sick - is superior to 
 auditing. The moment he's had the surgery, however, run out the whole 
 incident and the engram. He'll get well. He'll get well much faster if you do
 it that way. So here's an acute state of disease, and here's a long chronic
 state of disease. Well, it doesn't do any good, really, broadly, to address
 surgery and drugs and monkey business and all sorts of cures and vitamins.
 
 The Japanese are wonderful. They're one of the most unhealthy people
 uh.. well. And, boy, do they take vitamins. They.. Japanese Army, every time
 you took over a Japanese Army base you.. you never found very much in the way
 of cameras or anything else. Some of the marine sergeants used to go around
 and kick the gold teeth out of the wounded and so on. But uh.. uh.. they..
 they used to consider that somewhat valuable because the Japanese love gold
 teeth. But uh.. ooh! And uh.. but the only stores you would find around.. you
 might find a paucity of food, but you wouldn't find any paucity of vitamins -
 great warehouses full of vitamins. Boy, did the Nipo believe in vitamins! I
 swear he fed his troops vitamins when he couldn't feed 'em anything else. 
 They would.. they would skip the rice ration if they had vitamins, and boy,
 were they unhealthy. 
 
 You can actually feed a.. an unbalanced vitamin ration where the 
 vitamins and minerals are all unbalanced - and do what? And knock a 
 preclear's teeth out, knock his sight out, give him ulcers, do anything you
 want to to him by simply removing from the system the minerals and other 
 things which are vital to a certain area. You give him an overbalanced ration
 - uh.. let's say it takes an awful lot of calcium to make teeth. And let's
 give him a ration of vitamins, let's pump him all up on proteins and minerals
 and vitamins - and omit the calcium. Huhh! The rest of the body is going to
 say, "Look, we're rich and therefore we must have lots of calcium. Therefore
 if there's lots of calcium around here, we naturally can build up everything
 and we can use the..." Oh, boy! It doesn't have any calcium, so it runs 
 around - let's see. It takes it out of the bones, it takes it out of the 
 teeth, and so on. The first thing you know, the guy hasn't got any teeth or
 something of the sort. 
 
 You could actually vitamize an unbalanced vitamin ration. I picked up
 quite a process by that, by the way. I figured out the mineral content of 
 many parts of the body, simply by overdosis of proteins and minerals and 
 vitamins, and omitted, carefully, each vitamin in turn and each mineral in
 turn. And would overdose the guy to such a degree that he was developing such
 a thing as scurvy. You can induce scurvy this way. 
 
 You can take vitamin C, omit it from the ration, and then give him a TERRIFIC
 dosage of proteins and vitamins and minerals - with no vitamin C, no ascorbic
 
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 acid, and in eight or ten hours of such dosage you can give him a case of 
 scurvy, the like of which you've never observed. You can have his teeth just
 rattling in his gums. Gums all swelling up - oh, fascinating! 
 
 And uh.. now -- now do we know that that's vitamin C causing it? Well,
 it's the imbalance and the inability of the genetic entity to handle anything
 above MEST. Do you think he's a superior illusion because he's so solid? He's
 a superior illusion because he's used a solidity that uh.. he took out of a
 more superior illusion, the MEST universe. 
 
 And uh.. he's got this all stacked together. And you think he's in 
 wonderful.. wonderful shape? Well, he can't handle an imbalance like that. 
 What do you do? How do you know it was vitamin C? How do you know it really
 went to the teeth? Why, sure. He's got a bad.. bad teeth now, hasn't he? He
 temporarily.. you haven't ruined him. any, particularly. Now let's just omit
 everything and let's pump him full of vitamin C. Now the vitamin C is a sort
 of vacuum. And it goes instantaneously into the teeth and the gums and he 
 will develop a toothache the like of which no dentist.. dentists really ought
 to know about this. They're pikers, I mean, with their drills and all of that
 sort of thing. They try, I know they try, and they're good boys, and I know
 that some of those dentists that.. that got down to the point of putting.. 
 putting spiked pads on their knees to put those on the patient's chest. And
 these little refinements uh.. that they've used - they're still pikers. I'm
 sorry to have.. they'd have to find this out eventually. But uh.. you feed 
 that guy, after he's been overdosed in everything else - don't feed him 
 proteins or vitamins or minerals, just feed him vitamin C. And feed it to him
 fast, and feed it to him in great big doses like a thousand units, you know,
 a thousand milligrams at a crack. 
 
 And he will develop a toothache that he would rather be SHOT than 
 suffer. He can just feel those teeth as cracking and creaking and trying to
 go back together again too fast. Too much havingness, you see. 
 
 And.. and the scurvy will cure up. Of course, what you do after 
 you've noticed this is just feed him some more proteins and vitamins and 
 minerals, and they'll take the vitamin C back out and they'll tend to balance
 the ration. 
 
 You can balance him up and get him back to, quote, normal, unquote, 
 again. But uh.. now let's take that.. let's take this whole formula with 
 vitamin C i% it this 'time - everything in it. And now let's carefully remove
 81. Oh, let's remove B1. Yeah, that's what we'll do. This time we'll give him
 an overdose of B1 afterwards. See, we'll feed him up for about 10, 12 hours
 on all.. a pluperfect ration of protein hydrolysate and all the fancy 
 minerals in their most digestible form, no food, you see. I mean the protein
 is a food. Protein, and minerals and.. and uh.. vitamins. And we'll just omit
 vitamin uh.. vitamin B1 - thiamine chloride. Just overdose, overdose, 
 overdose and this guy will all of a sudden be saying, "You know. There's 
 things crawling on the walls, there's spiders, there's..." Oh, God! Has he
 got a wonderful case of DTs! You can fix him up quickly. 
 
 Now... now cut him off all that other ration and right quick start 
 shooting him full of B1. Well, he'll snap back, but there are pyrotechnics to
 be observed there on a mental strata that you would be quite interested in.
 Because the way the pictures try to flash back into line - wonderful to 
 behold. It tells you that B1 as a particle flow.. as a particle is.. somehow
 or other fits into the pictures of pictures, you understand? It says it has
 something to do with holding pictures in suspension. Or it 'has something to
 do with goofballing up the thetan or the GE so that he thinks he has a big 
 flow of something when he doesn't have it. It's upsetting. You could study it
 
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 for a while, you'd probably understand what it was. The study has yet to be 
 made. I just studied this other. 
 
 All right, let's take that full dosage again and let's omit another 
 vitamin and we'll find out suddenly that the liver on this super overdosage 
 with one thing missing, the liver just goes to pieces - ha-wham! Oh, does he
 get in terrible condition quick. Now take that one and overfeed him on it and
 the liver just goes into straight agony in reverse as it tries to right 
 itself. And then of course, balance it out, and the guy gets all right again.
 
 It's fascinating that the GE is so fixated on having to have certain 
 kinds of MEST. He has.. he's agreed so thoroughly with the MEST universe that
 he couldn't substitute Bl for C. Oh, no! No, he knows he's got to have that 
 crystal form Bl or he knows he's got to have that C. And he does this purely
 by association: "What's there? What's been there? Well, we.. then we've got 
 to have that. We can't have any substitute on the line." lie's still 
 differentiating but how's he differentiating? He's differentiating along 
 about this level. Is it a chair or is it a table? And he is able to tell 
 which is the chair in terms of crystals and virus structure in general. 
 
 He's.. he's smart, see. He's utterly dependent upon this stuff, but 
 he couldn't turn Bl to C. He couldn't do that. And if you as a thetan are 
 unable to do that after you've been in process for four or five months, you 
 ought to go out and shoot yourself. 
 
 As far as matter and its basic structure is concerned, it is terribly
 alterable. But the GE can't alter it. He's not a superior illusion at all. 
 
 You can goofball up the GE and the body in the most fascinating ways.
 But it's much easier just to convince him that he's been goofballed. All you
 have to do is convince him he has been. 
 
 Uh.. some time or other.. some time or other get him into a very 
 somnolent state and.. and then drink some whitish powder and put some flour
 in it or something of the sort and don't let him know anything about it.. 
 this, see - don't let the preclear know. And he drinks this whitish powder,
 "Drink it down. That's fine. You've just taken arsenic." If he's in a very
 susceptible frame of mind he will lie down on the floor, writhe, and he will
 give you all the symptoms of dying by arsenic. It will be very puzzling to 
 him why he doesn't go all the way through with it, but by examining the 
 structure of the thing at length, he will be able to take it and - "This is
 not arsenic." 
 
 Well, now that tells you then that your GE can be hit on two levels -
 we're not too interested about the GE. But he can't be hit on a structural 
 level.. he can't be hit on a structural level if the functional level is 
 shot. You can do anything you want to an alcoholic. You can take enzymes, 
 benzenes, methylzenes, magazines, anything you want, and fool around with an
 alcoholic. You can feed him sugar uh.. you can feed him spice uh.. you can 
 s.. make him stand on his head, you can train him how to.. how to.. that he 
 has to live for two seconds at a time and no longer - you can do all these 
 wonderful things - and you'll still have alcoholics. 
 
 The test of an alcoholic is can an alcoholic sit down and take a 
 drink and just stop with that one drink and feel all right. Uh-uh. He can't 
 do it. The GE has a scarcity obsession on some type of crystalline structure.
 All you have to do is deny him this structure and deny him this structure and
 deny him this structure, and he'll decide he can't have it any more. And he 
 will take a substitute for it. And then if you make THAT scarce, he will 
 become psychotic on it. This is strictly your MEST universe at work. 
 
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 You could take a little kid - now get this - you could take a little
 kid and deny the little kid candy. And deny the little kid candy and deny him
 candy and not let him have candy and tell him how bad candy is for him - 
 until at last you have created an utter apathy on the subject of 
 carbohydrates. 
 
 Having created this complete apathy upon this, you now make it 
 possible for him to have the altered form of candy without digesting it - 
 namely alcohol. And the second you do this, he of course knows that he cannot
 have, and therefore he can't tolerate and therefore it is dangerous, candy.
 He KNOWS he can't have candy - but he can have alcohol. And he's so greedy 
 for it that he'll goofball. It starts in with a functional scarcity or a 
 functional enforcement. 
 
 Now let's.. let's just go the other way around. Let's take the little
 kid and force him to have candy and we force him to have candy, and we force
 him to have candy. We make it possible for him to get alcohol. He'll.. he'll
 eventually go into apathy on the subject of candy and you get practically the
 same manifestation. That's because your.. your vectors go both ways. It 
 really doesn't matter much whether you inhibit or enforce something. The end
 result is the same. Blank, and uh.. apathy. It's just an upset of 
 self-determinism. 
 
 All right? The guy has a good chance of becoming an alcoholic. Sure,
 it evidently is physiological. What do you have to do to.. to fix that up? 
 You just have to fix him up so that you.. he doesn't feel quite so degraded.
 Uh.. you return his self-respect a little bit and tell him he can handle 
 matter. If he can handle matter a little bit and so on, he'll come up the 
 line awfully fast. It's a terribly artificial condition. 
 
 But in particular, let's cover the subject of candy. You'd better not
 try to cover it by giving him a piece of candy, the first time you ever give
 him a piece, if you ever treat him.. if you were to force him to have a piece
 of candy, you would just drive him nuts. You would make him quite ill. That's
 right. You.. he.. he becomes sick. He doesn't want anything to do with 
 carbohydrate in that form. 
 
 All right, I'm not recommending that the cure of alcoholics be
 accomplished through the rehabilitation of the ability to eat candy, but that
 is a direction it can go. 
 
 It doesn't lie basically, as basic causation, enzymes or snenzymes or
 benzymes, in other words it has.. it's not basic causation. And you could 
 stuff him full of all the enzymes and benzymes and magazines you wanted to 
 stuff him full of, and he would not recover from his alcoholism. They go to
 the Keely Institute and then they come out, and then they go back to the 
 Keely Institute, and then they come out and they go back, just for variety.
 There's some crackpot out in.. out in Kansas, I don't know, he sells a patent
 medicine or something of the sort. Uh.. I think it's Menninger's Cough Syrup
 or something like that - oh, Menninger's Psycho Syrup, that's right! And it's
 made of some.. some jerkwater. There's... 
 
 Have you ever been across the continent? Well, there's one.. one 
 place there.. there's - oh, you wouldn't remember this, but there's a place
 there where the train whistles twice, and - uh.. yeah. And.. that.. that.. 
 that's different from all the other places - it whistles five times at all 
 the other watering stations. And as it goes past this place there, you might
 look around and there's a little adobe shack or something over there. Anyway,
 they get.. they get alcoholics there. And they.. they take 'em in and then 
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 them back in again, if they find out the family's got some more money, and 
 they let them out after a while. And then they take them in again, just for
 variety's sake, and then they let them out after a while. And when they 
 haven't got any more money, this character Menninger then ships 'em across 
 the river where they go to the State Institution permanently. 
 
 You know, that's not a libelous statement? You know that's fact? 
 
 Student: Fact? 
 
 That's fact. Uh.. they.. uh.. he used to be director of the state 
 institution. He can put any of these patients that have run out of dough over
 there. He killed a fellow recently.. he didn't kill a fellow. A fellow by the
 name of Hacker. This guy Hacker used to jump around all over Los Angeles and
 say, "Dianetics - down with Dianetics! Down with Dianetics! We know all there
 is to know! And we're sane. We're sane! I'm sane! I'm sane!" You know. 
 Typical uh.. quiet, calm, reserved, orderly fellow. And uh.. and there was a
 motion picture actor by the name of Walker, you know? He played Private 
 Hargroves and so forth? 
 
 Well, Menninger had him first. Menninger let him in and let him out 
 and let him in and let him out, and let him in and let him out. And finally
 after about six months of this sort of thing, they sent him back to Hollywood
 and then Hacker, of course kept shootin' him all the stuff and shootin' him
 the stuff and shootin' him the stuff - kept him under heavy drugs. Of course,
 a man kept under heavy sedation, everything that's happened to him gets worse
 and worse and worse. And then one day he shoots him too full of drugs and 
 kills him, murders him. And uh.. and under any code of laws - if there was 
 any law in California - it would be murder. 
 
 And uh.. everybody said, "Poor.. poor Walker. Well, Hacker did the 
 best for him. Hacker did the best he could." That's right. Hacker did the 
 best he could - kill people. 
 
 Now they're making a basic, horrible basic error. They keep trying to
 treat structure without remedying function. Yeah. You'll run into the 
 damnedest books on the subject of this - oh, just wonderful - about how.. 
 how.. how this kind of drug and that kind of something or other all effect 
 this wonderful digitalic uh.. uh.. acafluence uh.. upon people and so on. But
 don't put it to use, or don't test it out. It's been run just like any other
 squirrel investigation. It's been tried on two cases, failed on both of them;
 the notes were written up favorably and it was released. 
 
 Now that's.. that's historical fact. 
 
 Now what do.. what do you do then on this? What do you have to do 
 to clear it up? You have to clear up agreement with the MEST universe in 
 terms of scarities and enforcements which comes down at last to a craving, a
 shortage, terrible shortage. And it solves on this. You have to have it, you
 can't have it. If you just ran that on any injury or obsession or compulsion:
 "Now you have to have it. You have to avoid having it. All right, you have to
 have it. You have to avoid having it. You have to have it. You have to avoid
 having it." And you just go on like that - it's a process all by itself. 
 
 Just sits there. If that's all we knew, we could probably stand 
 around and talk and have our.. have our post in glory for a long time. If we
 just knew that one.. one dichotomy. And an awful lot of this stuff like that.
 If you just had that one, you could work. If you just had.. if you knew about
 what responsibility was and you just work responsibility and no 
 responsibility as a dichotomy, why you could get to solve cases. 
 
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 If you get terribly desperate with a preclear some time or another, 
 and they've got some kind of a chronic somatic, just sit down and grind the 
 damn thing out. If you can't do anything else, just say, "Have to have it. 
 Have to avoid having it. Have to have it. Have to avoid having it." 
 
 Somebody was asking me the other day, "How do you solve being
 degraded?" Well, you have lots of ways to solve being degraded. Mainly force
 - rehabilitation of force. 
 
 So, how.. how.. how.. how could you solve it? If we didn't have any 
 other process. Well look: If you ever get down a blind alley and you say, 
 "Now let's see. Now we've got a terrible case of ruddy-rodism. And no 
 research has ever been done in Scientology on ruddy-rodism. And it's a 
 horrible, malignant phobia which causes traffic cops to arrest speeders" or 
 something of the sort. "It's terrible, and I have this preclear and God 
 knows, nobody knows anything about this. And I'm sure Hubbard never.. never 
 processed anything like this. And this is worse than anything I ever saw. The
 time the guy comes into the office, why he.. he just sits there and I just 
 mention ruddy-rodism and so forth, and he just sits there and he vomits and 
 he vomits and he vomits. Now what am I supposed to do? 
 
 And I say, "Mock up something," and he vomits. And I tell him to mock
 up vomiting and he vomits." 
 
 Well, if you ever get in that kind of a pinch, or if your wits just 
 congeal on you when confronted with some horrendous problem, there is a 
 common denominator of all these things, since time is the single arbitrary of
 aberration. This was discovered empirically, this datum. And then it was 
 found out how it fitted. And now, boy does it fit. And that is Having to have
 it, and Avoiding having it. Trying to escape from having it - anyway you want
 to phrase this. The.. the point is, it's having.. trying to escape from 
 having it; now trying to force yourself to have it; now trying to keep 
 yourself from having it. Just go up and down the line of Desire, Enforce and
 Inhibit. 
 
 All right, wanting to have it, trying not to want to have it; wanting
 to have it, somebody else wanting you to have it. Any time you want to run 
 brackets, you could get fancy on this, you see. You could run a complete 
 bracket, that is, to.. the preclear needing it, somebody else wanting the 
 preclear to need it, the preclear wanting somebody else to need it, other 
 people needing it, and other people wanting other people to need it, and 
 everybody restraining everybody from doing all those things, and then 
 everybody re.. forcing everybody from doing.. to do all those things. 
 
 You could just play this organ in any one of those stops. That's a 
 bracket: to the preclear, to another, to others. Preclear doing it to 
 somebody else, somebody else doing it to the preclear, others doing it to 
 others. Another way of running a bracket: Overt act, Motivators, DEDEX - you
 get 'em all. They'll all come out in that fashion. 
 
 But if.. if that all deserted you and.. and you found yourself 
 creative processing, postulate processing uh.. I.. I don't know where I'm 
 going next. I.. I seem to be in the Texas of a pilot house, and so on. And
 that's all very well, but I thought we were on the Mississippi, and here we
 are in the North Arctic Ocean. And it turns out not to be the Texas uh.. on a
 steamer at all but uh.. hy golly! The thing looks like an electronics lab 
 or.. or something. And I'm getting awfully squirrrelly too." 
 
 Just look at the preclear desperately and you say, "Now you notice 
 the obsession you've got there, you know. Now you got that now? Now get 
 
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 having to have it. Now, not having to have it. Now, having to have it. Now, 
 trying to avoid having it. Now having to have it." 
 
 If you.. that.. that's the only thing you could think of, it'd work. 
 It'll work. You can grind it right straight on out, because you're working 
 with time and you're knocking the thing back down the time track, that's all.
 
 Now if you get.. if your.. if you.. your wits are just a little more 
 fluid, why having to have it, having to avoid having it, or avoiding having 
 it. Now trying to make somebody else have it, now trying to keep somebody 
 else from having it, now others trying to keep others from having it. Okay, 
 and back we come again to uh.. trying to keep from having it, trying to have 
 it. 
 
 It's just a positive-negative, see. Any way you want to phrase it, as 
 long as you run the positive and negative on the thing. 
 
 So this.. this kid's got a club foot, terrible shape club foot. Okay.
 "Get having to have the club foot.. trying to avoid having the club foot.. 
 having to have it.." I don't care how many hours you run it. He'll start to
 develop pain very shortly in his foot. 
 
 If you want to get real fancy, turn it white and then run this. Or 
 turn it white and black and run this. Or any w.. thing.. th.. anything you 
 want to do to it, as long as you've got that basic fundamental - having to 
 have it, not having it. And you could run that on a stomach ache. Oh, some 
 preclear, you've done mock-ups and you know there's everything this preclear 
 can create and destroy and this preclear is terribly competent - well, of 
 course preclear probably isn't mocking up anything. Preclear probably sitting
 there, being very obliging, saying, "Yes, yes." All right. 
 
 And you run him on the E-meter and you say, "Well, all right. Could 
 you create a cat?" E-meter doesn't register. "Could you destroy a cat?" 
 E-meter doesn't register. You say, "Well, he's all right on the Fifth 
 Dynamic, evidently." 
 
 And, "Destroy your parents?" - E-meter doesn't register. You say, 
 "Yes. Create your parents?" - E-meter doesn't register. 
 
 It's stuck. I mean, they're stuck in something. They're.. they're so
 monomanic, in one direction and one compartment and one department, they 
 aren't even in communication. And yet they're apparently sitting there saying
 "Yes" and "No" - all sorts of thing. Boy, are they really out. 
 
 You'll run into this case every once in a while. If a case is in 
 terrible shape and looks awfully perplexing to you, you just haven't.. and 
 you can't find out what's wrong with the case, just put it down to this: The 
 case just isn't registering. The case may look like a Three, or may look like
 a Two. They're not. They're a Seven. They're just not registering. You can't 
 get them to do.. you.. they.. they say, "Yes - they're doing these various 
 things," and they're not doing them. And here they go, and they're being very
 obedient. You're working a Seven. Have him locate the room. 
 
 It's liable to be with a great shock that the fellow will look at you
 and say, "I.. God.. gee I.. but the iron bars do look kind of unfamiliar." 
 They've never looked at this room. They're trying to avoid having it. They're
 trying to avoid having a body. They're having to have a body, having not to 
 have.. not have a body and all sorts of this. 
 
 So, if you ever get down.. now every once in a while one of you come
 
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 up and ask me, you say, "Well uh.. how do you solve this?" or, "How do you 
 solve that?" or, "What's the specific solution?" Now, if you couldn't think
 of just running mock-ups, if you couldn't think of what mock-up would fit 
 into this thing, if.. if.. if that was too much of a strain on it, or appears
 too terrible to handle or something of the sort, remember that this other one
 always will handle it. Having to have it.. hav.. you don't have to worry 
 about flows. Just having to have it, not having to have it. maybe it'll take
 you 24 hours or 60 hours to grind the thing out finally on brackets and 
 various things on havingness, but it'll grind out. It will grind out 
 eventually. 
 
 And somebody is asking me up here, "How do you solve degradation?" 
 Well, if you can't solve degradation any other way - degradation is being big
 and getting small - uh.. if uh.. you're uh.. and that is by big.. getting big
 and being small, and not at your own uh.. request. 
 
 Another way, people get degraded on the subject of sex because it's -
 like the alcoholics - there's suddenly a great scarcity of sex - terrific 
 scarcity. So sex gets more and more precious and more more precious and they
 feel more and more degraded by having to have it. And at last they're 
 practically out through the bottom - crash! Scarcity. It's scarce and they 
 can't have it, but they have to have it. And if they have to have something,
 they can't have, it demonstrates to them that their ability to create is 
 terrible and this demonstrates to them that they must agree with the MEST 
 universe if they have to have it. 
 
 That's why some guys spin in. You de.. you just show them.. show them
 a ring or a marriage licence, some guy or some girl or something like that
 and they just go, "Bzzzzzzzzrrrllmmmm!" 
 
 Did you see WINGS - uh.. back.. the old.. the old production, World 
 War 1 planes and everything else? They had some of the beautiful shot-downs
 there. I mean, the.. the Fokker or the Spad or something or other would be 
 shot down and they'd go down in beautiful falling leaves and trailing smoke
 and terrific sound effects and so forth. And finally, way below on the.. on
 the grass, crash. 
 
 Well, there are various buttons in people's lives that are like a.. a
 whole hatful of machine-gun bullets into the gas tank of a Spad, which 
 wouldn't fly anyway. The only reason they flew - nobody ev.. really knew this
 - but you know that World War I's planes didn't fly. They just found fellows
 who were strong enough to lift 'em up into the air and carry them. 
 
 Ever since.. ever since.. since that race sort of died out, why ever
 since they've been.. they've been trying to get an airplane to fly. 
 
 Well, when you ask about degradation or when you ask about, "What is
 this thing about money? Yeah, money, let's see. Money-money." Well, of
 course, there's a lot to know about money. 
 
 Money.. Howard Scott.. there've been some guys beating their brain 
 cells together in this cen.. century. Howard Scott uh.. had some very 
 interesting theories on the subject of money. It's the circulatory system of
 this society. 
 
 Let's uh.. put it into our frame here and call it, "Money is tQ 
 attention units of a society". And they ejaculate one to another, and Sack 
 and forth again. And that's proven out by the fact they operate like 
 attention units. Let's say a dollar's an attention unit. And actually where
 you find the greatest interest centered, you'll find the greatest number of
 attention units. 
 
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 Now that person who can force the greatest interest, gets even more 
 attention units because attention units are force units - dollars are force
 units. They're enforced by bayonets, and they're enforced by scarcity and 
 they're enforced by what they laughingly call the law of.. of "Demand the 
 supply". 
 
 Uh.. and uh.. so you want to.. you want to have a lot of dollars 
 coming your way? Be interesting. That.. that's if you want to be.. just be 
 interesting. They'll flow your way. Wear a.. wear an eight-foot hat down the
 street. One way or another, dollars will come your way if you do that. 
 
 Of course, there is interest with repugnance, and then that means
 attention, although it flicks in your direction, flick off. Dollars won't
 flow in on that one. They just flick in, flick off. 
 
 Well, you can't figure out how to solve money? Having to have money,
 not having to have money. Just run it. 
 
 Now this fellow keeps telling you.. keeps telling you, "But how do I
 solve this body? I haven't got a body - I mean, I've got a body and I.. I'm
 uh.. not in it, but I am in it. And I.. I know this and I.. I'd like to be 
 free and I don't feel free and so on." And you've just tried everything. 
 You've burned up his body, and you've thrown it out the window, you've made
 it appear and disappear and he still can't get out of his body. And mock-ups
 don't seem to work too well and they're upsetting to him that.. there could
 be a bug there, you see. There's the way he's handling them. And he isn't 
 handling them the way he says he is. And uh.. you're not feeding 'em to him
 very fast the way it is. And there's an upset there some place - bad upset.
 
 It would be an application upset - a technique? No. You just have 
 failed to sight whether or not he was really doing what he was doing. Or 
 failed to start in simply enough so that he's just kind of swamped and he's
 going along and not telling you what he really is doing. You'll find those 
 preclears, by the way, in abundance. 
 
 Well, all right. If you've got a problem of that nature, it will 
 always solve on this one - Having to have a body, needing to have a body, 
 having to be able to control a body, having to be able to own a body, having
 to be able to protect a body, having to protect people. And NOT doing so, all
 the way down the line. 
 
 Just the sub-zero tone scale, positive-negative. Dichotomies will 
 cover that more thoroughly. So you could run these dichotomies back and 
 forth. But what's it boil down to? Having to have a body, and trying to avoid
 having a body. 
 
 And the guy running this dichotomy, having to have a body and trying
 to avoid having a body and so on - he'll get unsquirrelled eventually on the
 subject of bodies. It's a funny thing that that technique sits there kind of
 isolated. You won't appreciate this unless you've really, really taken a look
 at it. But having this technique sitting there uh.. isolated - having to have
 it, possession, or control. 
 
 Control is slightly different as a technique. Being able to control a
 body, not being able to control a body. Wanting to control a body, not 
 wanting to control a body, brings in Have and Control at the same time. To 
 own is to operate. You're going up scale a bit, you see, when you talk about
 control. 
 
 But it's a very funny thing, that Control is better than Have, 
 
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 really. But uh.. you'll find Have is so intimately Time, that here.. here are
 just thousands of things that you could apparently run quite logically - 
 being guilty and not being guilty, being guilty and not being guilty. You'd
 think that would produce a result. Obviously, it should produce a result of
 some sort. Uh.. being worried - you being worried, you worrying others, 
 others worrying you. Let's run that back and forth a bit. 
 
 You think that produce terrific results? No, that won't. It just 
 won't do it. It will produce some results, yes. More spectacular than a lot
 of other results. But having to have and not having to have hits it right on
 the button. And trying to control and not trying to control hits it on a 
 little higher button. 
 
 Those are two buttons. They're standing out there very isolated and 
 no other flows work like those. 
 
 So, when you get all these techniques all boiled down there, there's
 anything that's worrying the guy and you have to run actual facsimiles - 
 having to have, not having to have, if you're so rattled you can't think of
 anything else, well, go right across the boards on it. 
 
 And having to control, or trying to control and not being able to 
 control is a little higher echelon than that. 
 Okay? Let's take a break. 
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