 Let's go on now as to how you use these.. these points on some of 
 these.. some of this material. This is the second hour of December 4th. Now 
 let's go on to how we use some of these materials in auditing and why it is 
 an apparent uh.. upset to a preclear to be disoriented. 
 
 We're operating, of course, from Q-1 and that says creation of uh.. 
 space, time, energy, matter, location in this. You see, if a man can't locate
 himself in space and time, why, he can't locate himself - well, he just can't
 locate himself. And therefore it says he's not theta. He's MEST because MEST
 is what can't locate itself. 
 
 Somebody always has to locate MEST. That's why you have surveyors. 
 MEST never has been known.. a roadside rock has never been known to get up 
 and say to you, "Hello, what's your name? Uh.. where are you going?" Nope, 
 never been known to. Sometimes a roadside rock says "Milestone 26," but 
 somebody put that on that. 
 
 So the difference between being MEST and being theta is location in 
 space. That's the difference between the two things. MEST has.. now when I 
 say MEST is, I'm using our old word as to mean object, a solid object, and 
 the space and energy and so forth which comprise such solid objects, the 
 energy flows itself, and the space therein; I'm using just that term physical
 universe MEST. 
 
 All right, uh.. when a person goes down the tone scale, that is going
 down from a concept of being able to locate or originate in space, originate
 space, down to being a chunk of something that's been located. Now, in other
 words, it goes from theta, tone scale goes from theta to MEST. And, of 
 course, MEST has always got theta in it but that.. that's beside the point. 
 
 It has gone to the point where it doesn't do the locating but 
 somebody locates it. And even though a piece of MEST is used for propulsion 
 or for shoveling or for pushing or for pulling or anything like that, there's
 theta directing it. 
 
 So an individual conceives himself to be as free, as knowing, as much
 cause as he can locate himself in space or create space. He's so.. as long as
 he can do that. 
 
 Now you get somebody out in the country and he gets lost, well, he's 
 not terribly lost, he can look at the vegetation and he can look at the road
 and he can look at things and he said, "Look, somebody with three-dimensional
 space on the brain built all this, I'm still here, uh.. somewhere. As I just
 have lost the difference between my immediate new anchor points and the 
 anchor points to which I'm accustomed and I do not know the dimension from 
 here to the point of origin from which I normally operate. I don't know that
 distance." And so he says he's lost, but actually just to that degree 
 produces the most fantastic results on an individual. 
 
 You take a.. a.. fellow out here in the woods and there's nothing but
 trees, trees, trees and all the trees look like more trees. And everything is
 unfamiliar, anchor points gone, and, believe me, it's a very solid guy who 
 doesn't lose his head. I have seen fellows just go so pale green with.. with
 a fear - they go right on down the tone scale. They don't know what they're 
 afraid of. They haven't any idea what they're doing or what's happening. And
 they will run aimlessly. They'll do the strangest things: They will be very 
 hungry and throw their pack away. They will desperately need their rifle and
 cartridges and throw them in the nearest creek. They will walk in circles, 
 oddly enough. They.. they seem possessed with an inability to take straight 
 lines. 
 
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 You meet up with one of these fellows, quite ordinarily he's in a 
 panic. It takes a long time; a woodsman has learned to be calm in the 
 presence of all anchor points looking like all anchor points and no dimension
 known to the anchor point he wants, because he knows by experience that he 
 can still find a dimension. 
 
 What the other fellow doesn't know is he can't find a dimension. He
 doesn't know he can find a dimension anymore. And that unability to find a 
 dimension upsets him terribly. And is that fear of not being able to find a
 dimension which keeps your preclear from changing anything. He is sure that
 if he loses his dimensions, he's gone. He's just sure of that. If he loses 
 anchor points and dimensions he's a gone fellow. 
 
 That's why young fellows go down tone scale so badly on this thing 
 that's laughingly called universal military training. Somebody grabs him by
 the nape of the neck, throws him into a brand-new set of anchor points and 
 says, "These are your anchor points, Bud. Your MEST." Now this fellow's idea
 of this - new spaces he will occupy and so forth - has a terrible abyss lying
 between his teens and his ability to occupy any space in the society and have
 anchor points in the society. And that abyss is somebody standing there 
 saying, "Now, you're going to have anchor points according to our direction,
 you're going to be transported, transshipped, removed and uh.. no anchor 
 point with which you've been accustomed, and for a couple of years you can 
 count, as far as you're concerned, on being MEST and being utterly lost." 
 
 And they go just boom. You can watch them, they go down tone scale.
 Their plans for the future and all that sort of thing have a tendency to go
 by the boards. This is the lousiest trick that could ever be pulled on a 
 country. Instead of paying a little bit more for soldiers and making a little
 bit of their life a little bit more interesting than kicking up a few wars to
 keep the troops happy - something like that - they make it a compulsory 
 supercontrol operation. 
 
 As a matter of fact, a.. a few boys from Batten, Barton, Durstine and
 Osburn got together and figured out how do we make military life interesting
 so as to get lots of recruits? Why, uh.. they put their heads together; 
 they'd say, "Well now, let's see, let's have canteen - no, let's have company
 hostesses. Aha ha-ha, yeah, that's good. Company hostesses - no, squad 
 hostesses. Terrific overproduction of women in this country; there's 15 
 million of them are going to be unmarried to the end of their days. Let's 
 see, we'll take the statistics so we can prove it to the government." 
 "Therefore company, no, squad. No, I think there oughta be a senior and a 
 junior hostess to every squad. And, uh.. let's see, there should be uh.. 
 should be, uh.. let's pep these uniforms up a little bit -- these boys walking
 around in olive drab, we've chosen in the past, the ugliest, messiest uniform
 we could possibly imagine. Well, let's get somebody down in the Arts 
 Department to draw one up." 
 
 "Okay, now, let's fix it over on the citizen front there so that 
 people who neglect to service this uniform properly, and so forth, they get
 their taxes increased. Yeah, that's a good idea. That makes the boys happy.
 Naw, that wouldn't work because that's too compulsory." 
 
 "Let's see, I know, we'll.. we'll just get the democratic 
 administration or the republican administration or somebody to write some 
 more figures on a book up in Wall Street that somebody keeps up there so they
 can write some more books on the figures down in the Treasury Department down
 here and what we laughingly call money will be then issued in superfluity to
 these troops and we will have troop money which buys twice as much as any 
 other kind of money. Yeah, that's very interesting." 
 
 -76- 

 "Now, let's.. let's stop all this walking. That.. that walking is 
 bad, the boys don't like to walk, and let's get each one of them a, well, I 
 don't know, a motorcycle, how about a hotrod? They are cheap to produce. And
 we'll have squads of hotrods and senior and junior... Let's put another 
 hostess in that squad. And uh.. let's.. let's have three times a week - see,
 they haven't looked at the ages that they're getting into the army - three 
 times a week, at least, we will have all the malted milks and hamburgers you
 can uh.. possibly eat for suppers. Yeah, that's a pretty good idea. And we'll
 have an issue of chewing gum, good, solid issue of chewing gum, so on. Good."
 
 And what do you know, they wouldn't have to have universal military 
 service, but universal militaries have to work for that so nobody'd bother on
 this other line. Being a little bit snide on that, but uh.. it's a good 
 thing. 
 
 Now, of course because every time.. every time you get a control 
 army, then you have to have somebody to hate. That makes it necessary to go 
 on having the army and it gets very complex after a while. 
 
 Now, uh.. I think - uh.. what is it? One hundred and eighteen percent
 of the national budget goes for the maintenance of our military defenses. 
 Well, you might as well take over three or four states and turn them over to
 the teenagers and uh.. and.. and just have a good time for a couple of years.
 I mean if somebody solved war you could do that. Now, let's get off of that 
 subject for a minute. 
 
 The reason why those guys get lost is anchor points and then nobody 
 lets them put in items. They got to have the uniform that's issued. Ta-ta-ta-
 ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. Just exactly what it says, and you got to do this with this 
 equipment. And we give you this but you don't own it. 
 
 Now we give you this rifle, but you don't own that. Now we give you 
 this uniform, but you don't own that. Now, we'll come around and see if 
 you're keeping this rifle right, and this tank right and this uniform right,
 and everything is right and you don't own that but it's yours. And you're 
 going to get practically machine-gunned if you don't keep this equipment 
 good, you understand? But you don't own it and we'll make sure you don't own
 it, and so forth; now you control it but don't own it. Now you locate it in 
 space, exactly where we tell you to locate it, and you only put it in space 
 where we tell you to locate it or else. Isn't that great? I mean you couldn't
 figure out a lower tone scale operation than this whole thing. 
 
 What's the.. what's the answer then on the whole track? The MEST 
 universe is doing this to the preclear. Now I've been talking about the army,
 but the actual fact of the matter is I've been talking about inhabitants of 
 the MEST universe. 
 
 In they come, MEST universe says, "Now look, there's a bunch of 
 natural laws and bunch of agreements. And these are the anchor points and 
 these are the only anchor points you can have and you locate yourself in the
 middle of these anchor points. And uh.. you do just exactly with what.. 
 what.. what with this planetary arrangement and these photons and so forth as
 we tell you, because this place is rigged to enforce itself upon you. And 
 uh.. you can't have any of your own particles. And if you start using any, 
 you're going to get in trouble." 
 
 And you get the same kind of a state of mind that you'd get as a 
 teenager in the army on the part of nest people. No responsibility, there's 
 nobody taking responsibility for this universe at all. It's just sort of 
 floating around like a Russian army. 
 
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 Okay, here we have.. here we have, then, the most fundamental process
 that you could run on a preclear, which is orientation in space, the most 
 fundamental thing you can do. And that would consist of a very strange thing
 for one lifetime, the location of 0-1. What's 0-1 for this preclear? What is
 the origin point he's been using all of his life? He's using one origin point
 or another all the way along the line, from his earliest childhood. What's 
 his origin point? 
 
 Student: himself. 
 
 LRH: No, it's not. He has to have an anchor point. Kits origin point
 has been dependent upon, probably A, A-l, A-2. You see, he hasn't got any 
 location himself by agreement in this universe unless he has some anchor 
 points that have to do with the MEST universe. He's already given up the 
 right to be his own anchor point and to choose for himself anchor points. 
 
 So he's using an anchor point from somewhere in this lifetime 
 somewhere on his track. What is it? You find out - what are those anchor 
 points? This is surprising, but you will find out it's such a thing as the 
 fireplug which stood outside his house when he was a little boy. That is one
 of his anchor points. The other anchor point may be a small hill which was 
 about eight miles south of his home where he used to.. he used to be able to
 look out the window and see this hill. Those were the anchor points of the 
 world. And as a little child, if you would have gone up to him as a little 
 child and you could say, "How big is this world?," he would say, "Well it.. 
 it goes, well, it's.. it's uh.. way over from that fireplug there and it's 
 way over from that hill and it goes down.. well, I know a canyon down the 
 line, it's pretty deep, it's a hundred feet deep, and it goes down there, and
 every once in a while the stars come out and they're over a mile high. And 
 there they are, and that's.. that's.. that's the universe and that's it." 
 
 And you would have said, "How about the Germans? How about the 
 Japanese? How about the uh.. Russians? How about uh.. uh.. the Kentuckians?
 Uh.. anything." 
 
 And he would have said, "Well, obviously they must be just beyond 
 there. I'll have to ask somebody. I'll.. I'll.. I'll get.. get somebody to 
 pack me a lunch and I'll walk over and see them." 
 
 He just hasn't any concept of any dimension between himself and 
 Russia, no concept. If.. if he were told that a raging war were going on as 
 the children were in World War II - he knew a raging war was going on and 
 uh.. he.. he just.. he.. he knew where it was going on. It was quite real to
 him. That war was real close to home; it was just on the other side of that 
 hill. And he would take it pretty seriously. It was right close to home. And
 other people would have been up and looked around and so forth. They, people
 who lived in that neighborhood and been out driving and so forth, they knew 
 it wasn't there at all. They knew there was no dimension between them and 
 that war, except maybe Johnny and Johnny was in that war, and he used to 
 write letters and it took the letters four days to get home. So there was a 
 four-day dimension between themselves and the war and that was pretty close.
 
 And there were other fellows who didn't get any letters from Johnny
 so they didn't have any dimension to the war at all. So they just sat around
 and figured out how much they could make. 
 
 You ask your preclear on an E-meter what his.. what his anchor points
 are and this was his gyration. And, what do you know, he'll have vistas on 
 them. They'll be static, cherished vistas, and he's.. he.. he'll turn these 
 visios around once in a while and throw them behind him. And he'll look at 
 them and you get them on the track; it'll be some fixed position. 
 
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 It might be.. one of them might be a fireplace, maybe not in his own 
 home at all, but in a neighbor's house. That was a piece of space he could 
 own. It was perfectly all right with this neighbor if he owned that 
 fireplace. They was always nice to him, gave him cookies, place calm, 
 peaceful - own home might not have been. 
 
 So he had an origin point and uh.. it was.. it was one of his anchor 
 points. And the other one - he had a teacher who was nice to him, and this 
 teacher had a house on the other side of town. So between the fireplace and 
 the house on the other side of town he could shift around, himself, and to 
 really have a good set he'd have to have a third, so maybe it was Bill's 
 house. 
 
 And he'd have these three anchor points, and so his origin point is 
 only apparently here in 1952, 53. Only apparently, and it's not here at all, 
 and the guy's been lost for years and years and years, and he doesn't even 
 know it, because he has no line of dimension between where he finds himself 
 at this moment and - he just never thought about this - and the A-l, A-2, 
 A-3. 
 
 He is operating now from A-10,065, N-10,066, and A-10,067. And these
 are his three anchor points. But he is still at 0-1. 
 
 So we get 0-1 prime and A-10,066, A-10,067, and A-10,068. And, what
 do you know, his level of reality is practically zero. 
 
 Oh boy, is he not here! He just is not present, that's all. Why? 
 There's no relationship between these things and A-l, A-2, and 3. There's no 
 dimension; the fellow's lost. And he'll give that lost appearance. You take 
 one of these persons; you try to spring him out of his head and he says, 
 "No.. no, I'm not moving out of my head." 
 
 Now you can say it's ridges, it's smidges, uh.. it's anything you 
 want, but he isn't in his head. He's standing back at the corner of 16th and 
 Van Buren in the year 1928. There he is. He knows better than to get any 
 further than 16th and Van Buren, because that's in rollerskating distance to 
 A-2, A-2 and A-3. 
 
 You will find the most.. you will find grief charges - grief charges 
 - on the first time a kid had to abandon his anchor points. He's gotten 
 accustomed to them, and the first time he had to abandon them.. and you get 
 him returning to his home town and if somebody's moved one of his anchor 
 points he's just shot. He's just in a mess; and so he'll hold on to the 
 facsimile of the anchor point and take his whole track and jam it from that 
 anchor point on up to now, because he knows that there's distances involved 
 and being distances involved he's got to jam his track down to match his 
 original anchor points so that he's still there, so he's not lost. 
 
 And then you come along and ask this fellow to get rid of his 
 facsimiles - oh no you won't! And you say, "All right fellow, now let's get 
 rid of these anchor points, and really get lost." Uh-uh. He isn't even 
 vaguely going to do it. 
 
 He's going to find more excuses; he'll jump up off the couch and 
 smoke cigarettes, and he'll claim that it's his.. it's how mean people were 
 to him and how this wasn't none of his behavior and it was action, it was 
 ideas and it was this and that and the other thing, and you'll look down at 
 his anchor points. Because we're going on all out here on theta clearing, we 
 want to get to collect the fellow to a point. 
 
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 We've got to collect the fellow to a point. And what is the point? 
 He's got to have a viewpoint from which he could postulate other points - and
 if he doesn't have a point, from which to do this, why, he's in terrible 
 shape; and we look down the track and we find our preclears who are very hard
 to move out of their heads and be certain where they are, are people who have
 been scattered all over hell's creation and have, in one lifetime year after
 year after year - were moved about, moved about, pushed about, pushed about,
 their possessions taken away from them, their possessions lost, their 
 possessions broken up and particularly their anchor points. 
 
 You'll find that after a while every time they have been driven off 
 from a space - in any way - they've gone in near hysterics. Or any time 
 anybody's tried to pin them down into a space. For instance, somebody who 
 comes by and arrests them, something, and puts them in jail. They just go 
 into.. all to pieces. Because that's really getting lost, that's too much 
 stress of imposition of anchor point. And they can't stand it. They just go 
 to pieces on it. 
 
 Now, anchor point is necessary to have motion, so what do you find
 quite in addition to this? You'll find that this preclear who has lost his
 anchor points and lost his anchor points, has lost his motion and lost his
 motion... 
 
 For a while his motion was dispersing - oh, badly dispersing - and 
 uh.. he was trying frantically to keep it up and pretend all was well. And he
 knew where he was, he knew where he was, yes sir - but did he? 
 
 There'd be a little voice behind him, "You don't know where you are,
 do you?" And uh.. pretty soon, why, somebody comes along and tells him he's 
 mean and he's ornery, and he's no good, and he got no force, and he mustn't 
 use force, and he becomes convinced that force is no good, too. 
 
 Well, of course, he can't produce force if he's lost his anchor 
 points. That's the essence of production of force is to have terminals. Now,
 we're really sneaking up on electricity. You understand we're not talking 
 here about electricity. 
 
 We don't want in any way to influence the field of engineering. 
 They've got some agreements pinned down and they're stuck with them. And uh..
 they.. we don't want to interfere with that. So don't apply any of this 
 material to mathematics or engineering. We don't want.. this stuff wouldn't 
 change it anyway, I mean. 
 
 Uh.. so let's look, then - the first thing on orientation - let's 
 look for his original anchor points and see if we can find them. And, of 
 course, his first anchor points in what you call home universe are lost to 
 him. They're gone. Home universe.. boy, you can always get a grief charge on
 it. So, the home of his very early childhood is usually lost to him as well.
 So, he's.. on the whole track; he's been lost and lost and lost and lost and
 lost. He keeps getting.. you want to know long a spiral is? A spiral is as 
 long as one can keep himself convinced he isn't lost utterly. 
 
 Now long is a lifetime? A lifetime is as long as one can keep himself
 convinced he isn't lost utterly. 
 
 Why do people out in the corn belt sometimes live to the age of 8,000
 or whatever some of them claim? Why.. why is that? They've never gotten lost.
 And, by the way, some of those uh.. octogenarians and so forth quite commonly
 make a practice of propelling themself not by any other conveyance than 
 shank's mares, walkinq the distances they want to go. It's with perfect 
 
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 confidence one of those old fellows would suddenly say, "Well, I'm going down
 to see Sister Bess now." 
 
 And somebody would look at him aghast and say, "But that's over a 
 hundred and eighty miles." 
 
 And he'd say, "Well, sure, it's going to take me a couple, three,
 four days to make it." He had measured every inch of the way and observed
 every inch of the way. 
 
 Now if he went down there at 80 miles an hour, it is sort of swoosh,
 and by the time he gets there it's been a blur and he's not well connected 
 with it. You would have to get somebody well speeded up to remove him in 
 distance that much. 
 
 Out in space people are really speeded up. They think very hectically
 and so forth. Brrrr. All of that space, but, gee, you can see anchor points a
 long distance. You can see 'em many light years, and so you can move around
 to that degree. 
 
 Who is this fellow? We11, this fellow is the fellow who used to have
 as anchor points Star )(, Star Y and Star Z. He didn't even live on a planet.
 You know that he would consider himself.. that would be as big as his anchor
 points were. 
 
 It's a very good thing to take out a little kid when he's very, very
 young and show him some stars and say, "That is Betelgeuse. That is only - -
 - light years away; it's a long way away. Now that's Betelgeuse. Now we'll 
 take that and we'll look at it in a telescope and examine that thoroughly and
 it's in relation to star so-and-so. And this is Mizar and that's Marcab, and
 that's the North Pole, and that's some other star. Now you see those stars?
 Now, they don't exactly look different, I mean they.. they look a little 
 different when you look at them from another point, they.. they get closer 
 together when you look at them from another point, because they're distances
 apart. But you can look right here now and you can see these stars and you 
 can locate them and you'll always know they're there. Take a look." 
 
 I ran into a fellow whose father was an astronomer. He was one of the
 most unlost fellows you ever saw until we got into the Southern Hemisphere.
 This boy was a navigator, and he was an aerial navigator. Aerial navigators
 are very smart boys. They.. they're very sharp, they know what they're doing
 and so forth. And the grim joke is they think a surface navigator, a marine
 navigator is something on a stick. They.. they.. they.. they're very.. 
 they're very fascinated with surface navigation because they think that's a
 sharp business. 
 
 Sure enough, it is, uh.. in standpoint of error, but the surface 
 navigator isn't going 350 miles an hour. These boys know their navigation 
 inside-out and they've always approached a surface navigator with reverence
 for some reason or other. Maybe that's because a surface navigator demands
 it. 
 
 We got down in the.. down in the Southern Hemisphere, and this kid 
 started looking at the Southern Cross. And he became.. first he became very
 excited and then he got sadder and sadder and sadder, and I've never known to
 this day exactly what it was until the other day I was figuring out what this
 was, and the fellow had lost his points of origin. 
 
 He was gone, he was obviously in another world somewhere. That 
 Southern Cross in the southern sky is very spectacular and uh.. you get far
 
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 enough south down around New Zealand, if you've customarily lived in Canada,
 where he did, you get an almost completely different sky. Very interesting.
 
 All right, and uh.. we've got uh.. we've got then your question of
 this. In this life, a fellow cannot change his physical identity. If he could
 change his physical identity, his beingness and so forth to match his new 
 anchor points, he would be all right, but he isn't permitted to do that. 
 
 He has a connecting link, he has the same name, with A-l, A-2, A-3,
 with A,1066, A,1067 and A,1068. He has the same name, he has the same body,
 he knows, he has the same relatives, and he's got a lot of other things, and
 every time these pop up, they keep reminding him that he is not on his anchor
 points and he doesn't quite know where those anchor points are. And as a net
 result he's quite confused. 
 
 Now, this has a great deal to do with the production of force. If it
 didn't have anything to do with the production of force, it would not lead us
 through this maze, uh.. because the production of force itself, and tolerance
 of force, is in itself affinity, reality, communication in this universe and
 the road out is the road through. 
 
 So every time we have a preclear who is sort of scattered and 
 dispersed and he doesn't quite know where he is, and he's not oriented and so
 forth, let's go through a little bit on space and find his origin points for
 him. Let's relocate him and reorient him in space. That would be an awfully
 good idea, wouldn't it? So here he is with space that he can't control. And,
 sure enough, he's worried about space being too crowded. He's worried about
 space crowding in on him, claustrophobia. He's worried about moving things 
 around in space and keeping space neat. Or he is so careless that he doesn't
 care WHAT space keeps neat. He'll just throw things around in any space 
 because that space isn't his space anyhow. 
 
 And he has a lot of points like this and he is just scattered. So you
 ask him to move out and be in a new space, why, shucks, his body isn't in any
 space, much less the thetan. He isn't in any space that he can recognize, as
 a body, and he's just abandoned the whole thing anyhow... So, we have the 
 three conditions here which will be general categories and you could call 
 these cases then, case one, as an origin, case two, still as an origin, case
 three as an origin with dispersal, some dispersal, your case four as an 
 origin, considerable dispersal, case five is uncollected, with sole point of
 origin as the body itself. 
 
 Now let's just run a gradient scale between those two things. Case
 five is uncollected with a sole point of origin as the body itself and you 
 can't ask him to remove from the body because he knows nothing exists as 
 anchor points outside of the body. He knows this. 
 
 Now we're using here.. this is the scale of.. this is your.. your 
 case numbers on SOP Issue Three, your case numbers. Now what's six? Six is 
 not sure-body and seven is no body. 
 
 I'm drawing it over here. Just above that we have this condition: 
 uh.. the person is well oriented at X. That would be uh.. figure four here.
 That would be a one, he's.. he's.. he's well collected at that point. And 
 here we've gotten a sort of a general sight on things, not too good; we're 
 getting down there. And he's somewhere in here, and we get down from that 
 into this kind of a thing. Now that's all very well; he's somewhere in here.
 
 But these points aren't in sight. He's occluded. He guesses there's
 some points over there someplace. He just assumes it. 
 
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 Now if you want this in terms of attention units we'll put bursts of
 attention units up here along the one, three, six, we'll put.. he looks like
 that here, around one. 
 
 Here we have.. he would be uh.. slightly like that, about three, and
 he would be collected in tight with everything smashing in at him about six.
 And then here he'd be leaving. You get the idea? The guy's dispersing around
 in space, that's all I'm trying to show you. And you've got to get this 
 fellow collected from six up to one. 
 
 It isn't.. it isn't a matter of running flows or dichotomies. You can
 get him out on responsibility any time you want to. Joy of responsibility, 
 beautiful sadness of responsibility, joy of irresponsibility and that sort of
 thing. On brackets you can get him out any tune you want to if you want to 
 work that long enough. He'll eventually get there working with flows and.. or
 mock-ups or anything you want to work with, you eventually get there with a
 case. You know what responsibility is. 
 
 But here we have a case which is a.. a big point. He can cover an 
 area. He isn't just a single point, he can sort of cover and pervade an area.
 That has contracted down as we go down to the two and has become a negative
 position by the time we get to three, four and five, and, boy, he.. he's 
 just.. he just knows he's got no point when he's at five - he just knows. 
 He'll be chased out of any place he goes into. He has, by the way, this.. 
 this funny feeling. 
 
 He walks into a strange restaurant or something of the sort; he may
 be very self-possessed, educated and he.. he's educated himself into that, 
 very self-possessed. He'll go into the restaurant and uh.. so forth, but if
 the head waiter and so forth looks at him sort of strangely, he just exactly
 knows what the head waiter's going to say. The head waiter's going to turn 
 around to him and say, "Get out." He knows that; he knows any time he goes 
 into a strange place he's going to be kicked out. He has 8 million dollars in
 cash in his pocket. He has a.. a.. a local army called the Police Force of 
 Podunk Falls solely in his pay and he goes over into Squeedunk Falls and he
 knows that when he walks into the main station at Squeedunk Falls that the 
 station master's going to say to him, "Get out." He knows at this moment he
 will have to flee. 
 
 His havingness, his terrific havingness, is a substitute for having
 any space. Cause havingness is the bottom of the scale and space is the top
 of the scale, and when a man's got to have, he's telling you he has no space.
 His space is condensing, and condensed space and that sort of thing is 
 objects. He's got to carry space around in packages on the theory that maybe
 some day he can uncondense it. So he gets objects, he gets Rolls Royces and
 blondes. 
 
 Or if he isn't in that category, he keeps things in his desk drawers.
 Wife goes out every once in a while and cleans out the tool shed. There's..
 the newspapers from eight years back are in there and everything is in there
 and there's everything in there, and there's all this.. this.. there's this
 little gimmick that he took off that something or other there that he was 
 making and he knows he'll have a use for it someday, and that's in there and
 it's got kind of dusty, and then there's the dead rat that uh.. ha was going
 to frame, and... All this stuff there, he's just got to have this condensed
 space around someplace, because someday he'll uncondense it, he thinks. Gives
 him points of origin - that's what he's looking for. He's getting.. looking
 for anchor points, somehow or other, he's got to have some anchor points. And
 he can.. he can uncondense this any time he wants to, as everybody knows. 
 
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 So, the preclear you will find amongst homo sapiens starts in as 
 being perhaps larger than a point to himself. This isn't any past body. He's
 very relaxed about it. But if you found anybody very much larger than a 
 point, he would not be in Mr. Homo Sapiens. He would be standing around 
 outside leaning up against the lamp post once in a while, saying to homo 
 sapiens that he is allegedly running, "Okay, Joe, why don't you go over and
 have a beer?"  
 
 "Yeah, that's right, that's a good thing to do. Ah, to hell with 
 him." 
 
 He would really be uninterested because he hasn't gotten too 
 concerned yet. Now by the time he's collected down to a point he's getting 
 kind of concerned, and by the time he's getting down any lower than that, of
 course, it's a negative point. 
 
 What's a negative point? It's a point that a dimension goes through.
 A point is a dimension going through it. A point should have no space and no
 dimension. This fellow.. this fellow has to drive five miles forward to back
 up one step. You get the idea. In order to go to plus Y on a three plane 
 dimensional scale uh.. in order to go to a plus Y uh.. at all, he's probably
 got to back up along minus Y for eight yards and then he thinks he'll get the
 plus Y. 
 
 And, what do you know, that person acts like that in his behavior; he
 acts like that. He has a split instant where he has the impulse to go the 
 wrong way and then he tells himself to go the right way. When he starts to 
 turn a corner, if you'll just watch his hands for an instant you'll find out
 that his hands are starting to turn the car the other way. And then he'll 
 turn them back again to make them turn the right way. Yeah, he'll.. he'll..
 he'll do that, it's flick. Well, that fellow has got to.. got to back up a 
 long distance to go forward an inch, and he's got to.. he, see, he collects
 space, anchor points, uncertainty. What's reaction time? What's motion? What
 are all these things, comes under the heading of space. Origin points in 
 space. 
 
 Your process on this is to mock up spaces. And fill them full and 
 empty them. And fill them full and empty them. And then put lots of things in
 them and then throw things away and then have things coming out of the anchor
 points and going away. And then reaching through all of this area of space 
 and being in this area of space and coloring this area of space in various 
 ways. And reaching through the area of space. And then mocking up anchor 
 points that he would like to have. How would you like to orient yourself, 
 Bill? What would you like to have out there to get you to really know you 
 were there? Now don't try to chase this back by symbolism. 
 
 I wrote a foul and evil book once upon a time. Was called THE KEY TO
 THE UNCONSCIOUS. It ties back mock-up processing into reality. It turns out
 that that's the meanest thing an auditor can do. You can do a lot of things
 with this, but if you use it too long it will give the guy the idea that his
 dreams are all based on reality. 
 
 And that is the primary sin of psychoanalysis. They say, "You can't
 have your universe, you poor fool, we're just uh.. helping you now. Let's 
 see, now think of something else. Oh, that's because you drowned your 
 grandmother's kittens. Yes. Oh, you think that's yours, eh? Well, that isn't
 yours, this happy little dream you're having about, uh.. yeah, that depends
 upon something in the real universe. You're really agreeing after all. You 
 thought you were trying to get away and disagree and we look it all over and
 we find out that you were only agreeing." 
 
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 "Now you say that when you go to sleep at night you have a dream. Now 
 you think you're free when you dream, don't you? Hut you're really agreeing 
 with the physical universe. Yes, now that will be $185 for this week's work 
 and that will be $8,000 for next month's work. And a complete psychoanalysis 
 takes about a year to find out if we can do anything for you and it takes 
 another year to do anything for you and then of course we can't guarantee 
 that anything will be done for you and that will only cost at average rates 
 in the United States for four appointments a week, of one hour each, $9,450. 
 And that is the cost of doing nothing for you but making you into MEST, 
 brother." 
 
 And how is this done? Simply by pointing out to somebody that 
 everything he thinks of has an origin in the MEST universe. He has no 
 independent capacity to dream. And for heaven's sakes you don't... you're 
 using mock-up processing, please learn this as one of the important points: 
 never wonder what caused the fellow to think that up, because at first 
 there'll be a little impulse for the things he thinks up to be modified by 
 the NEST universe. But, if you don't challenge him, he'll go free. Last night 
 we had some demonstrations here. We had a preclear who couldn't tell me a 
 lie. That was interesting, isn't it? He couldn't say there was an airplane 
 just flew in the window. Fascinating. Why? The MEST universe has kept saying 
 to him over and over and over and over, "Look, you've got to agree with me." 
 And agreement with the MEST universe is the equivalent of, similar to, and is 
 the same as punishment. And there isn't much difference between the two. 
 
 So, unless he agrees, he'll be punished. Unless he says what the MEST 
 universe tells him to say, he'll be punished. So any operation in mock-up 
 processing which tries to convince the preclear that what he has just mocked 
 up has symbolical purpose in the MEST universe is an overt act and is black 
 magic, operating to reduce the self-determinism of the preclear. 
 
 He keeps mocking up a broom handle. "All right," he says, "I'll take 
 this broom handle and I go this-a-way with it and I.. I.. I got a broom 
 handle here" and so on. 
 
 And you say, you know, to yourself, you know, "What he's really 
 mocking up.. what he really is mocking up is a.. is a pressor beam. And he's 
 afraid of pressor beams; he's afraid they'll collapse, so he's got something 
 solid like a broom handle that he's monkeying around with there." 
 
 Well, YOU know that. But that's all right, what the heck? Don't point 
 out to him that he's mocking up pressor beams. Let him get a bigger and 
 better broom handle. He'll find out sooner or later that he's mocking up 
 pressor beams, but let him find that out. Then if he wants to mock up 
 something else he can have zing-zag broom handles or something and get away 
 from it. But the essence of it is to let him know he is doing it and that it 
 is his. Not that it is related to the MEST universe. 
 
 He only has one area to get out and that is CERTAINTY and his only 
 real certainty he's going to be able to get is the certainty that he himself 
 has his own illusions. And he gets that certainty, goes up the line of 
 knowingness; if you keep showing him that THAT certainty really was the MEST 
 universe and was not a certainty at all, you're going to knock him on down 
 tone scale and out through the bottom. 
 
 You'll make MEST out of him because he's saying you can't locate 
 anything in space. Look, it's still the HEST universe located in space with 
 you, fellow. I'm.. I'm sorry to have to digress and give you this.. this 
 technical discussion on psychoanalysis. 
 
 -85- 

 I have used psychoanalysis, by the way. I have the edge on people in
 psychoanalysis who have things to say anything about Scientology. I know
 their subject - they don't. 
 
 Now, we have, then, the whole principle of spacation outlined under 
 the heading of anchor points, and origin points. There'd be the preclear's 
 origin point. There would be an understood anchor point which he somehow or
 other somewhere has consentee to. That would be anchor point"understood but
 not located, or origin point understood.. better change that around, call it
 origin point unknown, but understood. And then there'd be the origin point 
 which he conceives to be himself. That would be, according to him, a 
 secondary origin point. He thinks of himself as a secondary origin point. 
 He's an origin point being located by the first unknown origin point. Therein
 lies his aberration. 
 
 Now he is an origin point, then, and as an origin point he can 
 clearly be an origin point as long as he has a good solid assignment to 
 anchor points. Your preclear needs anchor points to find himself oriented. 
 
 Now, the only way he could really, really be sure of anchor points is
 to mock them up. He can't guarantee that this is the MEST universe, this MEST
 universe is real, but he could guarantee that he himself had mocked up real
 anchor points. That would really be real anchor points, but in this universe
 you will find out that his earliest decided upon anchor points are really 
 postulates. They're heavy ones. He's made them day after day after day. 
 
 "Well, I'm getting home now. There's Mrs. uh.. Marsh's house. Oh, 
 here I am at the corner." How often you've said that; have to say good night
 now. "I'm at THE corner." If he could only know what he really felt down 
 underneath about the corner, and if he were to say to himself or think to 
 himself, "Someday there isn't going to be any corner anywhere in reach of me
 at all," he'd get the funniest sensation. "Someday I won't be able to walk to
 this corner." And in that whole subject lies nostalgia. 
 
 You're gonna get.. you can actually blow grief on this - nostalgia. 
 Nostalgia goes back anchor points; you can get nostalgia on anchor points 
 one, two and three up to maybe anchor points uh.. nineteen, twenty and 
 twenty-one, and after that don't bother to get any nostalgia, because the guy
 has given up about that time having any anchor points. 
 
 And if he's gone up to a set of what did we have here, same here as 
 the Battle of Hastings, more or less. Boy, that was a fight. Uh.. A-1066, 
 uh.. if you get up to a thousand anchor points this guy's had.. he's now at
 anchor point 1,000, 1,001, and 1002 or something like that. Oh, no. This is
 just.. his life is just a blur. It's just a vague blur to him. You can go 
 back and he will locate in terms of objects. 
 
 So if you want to put a guy's time track back together for any reason
 or other, put it together in terms of objects instead of energies, because 
 he's low enough on the tone scale so all he can actually locate is objects 
 not motions, ordinarily, if he's in that shape. 
 
 Now things won't be in motion for this guy, for this preclear; he 
 won't see things in motion, things won't be in motion for him, he'll have a
 hard time making anything move. That's merely because he hasn't any solid 
 anchor points. How can you make anything move if you haven't got anchor 
 points? It's impossible, naturally. 
 
 What is a terminal? A terminal is an anchor pont. What are the 
 terminals of an electric motor? The terminals of an electric motor are the 
 
 -86- 
 

 anchor points from which motion can emanate. The principle of the manufacture 
 of electricity has to do with the shift of the point of origin between the 
 anchor points of an electric motor. With this principle, could we work out a 
 new, good and usable electric motor? Yes, we could. 
 
 For the first time we could have an electric motor. That's all due 
 respect to General Electric. That's a good outfit, General Electric, 
 actually. I never appreciated American electrical equipment till the last few 
 months and uh.. two-twenty A.C. is gaps all the time and they have to have 
 the most fantastically wide plug-ins. At a hundred and ten, A.C. is pretty 
 good, that doesn't close the gap; that doesn't have to be very heavily 
 insulated on a hundred and ten. 
 
 But if you were to put two-twenty on a hundred and ten plugs and 
 fitting and lines and that sort of thing, you'd get quite a fuss, so the 
 British believe that our electrical equipment isn't any good. And we believe 
 that the British electrical equipment is far too heavy. And we forget that 
 the difference of voltage is so wide. 
 
 Well, anyway, actually the British manufacture electricity far 
 cheaper than anybody else. I don't know whether this is.. has something to do 
 with having a higher power to go over the lines or less line loss or 
 something of the sort. But uh.. the point is that when you deal with any kind 
 of terminals you can get a nice sparky current, nice juice, good hot juice. 
 If you got a terminal one, the terminal here, whether it's made by.. in Great 
 Britain or in the United States or on the planet Gandalupia... 
 
 You got two terminals.. and a base to keep them apart or a will to 
 keep them apart, will, postulates, base, no real difference. Uh.. you've got 
 location, and where you have location you can have motion, and where you 
 can have motion you can have life, life forms. You can have action, you can 
 have objects, you can have all of these things. And they all come out sort of 
 on the course of the horseshoe nail, straight through. 
 
 They all come out from that one line, origin point, unknown and 
 understood, origin point, preclear, anchor points. When you've got that 
 together you have the complex terminal set-up necessary to produce a high- 
 level energy flows and the phenomena which you see here in the MEST universe 
 and which you call electricity and which on a much higher level, causing the 
 electricity, human thought. This is not a very mechanistic approach, by the 
 way. This is highly esoteric as an approach, because, what do you know, you 
 keep postulating this and you've agreed with everybody, you're trained in 
 viewing anchor points, you're all set. You're.. you've done all this. You've 
 gone through all this and you.. you've.. after you got trained to produce anchor
 points and you produced.. you had envisioned good ones. 
 
 You could put motion into them and you assisted motion all over the 
 place, and you have produced lots of action for yourself there. And.. gee, 
 life was running fast and so forth, and eventually people started to disagree 
 with you and you lost those anchor points and.. and other things happened and 
 you weren't supposed to use force anymore which is to say it isn't your 
 space, same thing. 
 
 Uh.. you ever notice dogs when they run into a.. a neighbor dog's 
 yard? They really cool down. It isn't their space anymore. Well, they can't 
 go into motion like that, but they go back in their own yards again and some 
 Pekingese goes into his own front yard - there's nothing more savage than a 
 Pekingese in his own front yard. Mastiff comes in there and he says, "Excuse 
 me," and he walks out. That's own space. 
 
 -87- 
 

 All right, all this subject comes down to - you.. you're actually 
 producing that motion, you're producing an agreement with an awful lot of 
 people, you go on producing it and what do you know, you reach over all the 
 time and keep planting emotion into things, so that you can perceive emotion.
 
 You not only put the motion there but you put the e.. emotion 
 there and perceive the emotion out of it continually. And you want it all to 
 be automatic, and you want sensation like mad, so you just skip that step 
 every time. You skip the step of a postulation of space, and then you skip 
 the step of a postulation of motion, and then you skip the step of 
 postulation of placing energy there to emanate back at you again, all because
 you want the sensation to effect you. 
 
 You want all this to make an effect out of YOU, because you want 
 sensation from it, so you just skip these steps and you're all set. Except 
 you wind up aberrated and homo sapiens. 
 
 Let's take another break. 
 
 (TAPE ENDS) 
 
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