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FREEZONE BIBLE ASSOCIATION TECH POST



FZ BIBLE 6A/10 HCL TAPES PART 2 (1952)



** THE SECOND HALF OF THIS LECTURE IS POSTED IN 6B/10 **





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These are the second 10 lectures in the HUBBARD COLLEGE

LECTURES (HCL) Series of early 1952.  This is based

both on the transcripts in R&D volume 10 and an old

reel-to-reel set of the tapes.



The lectures cover Fac One and some discussion of

Entites.



We posted the first part of this lecture series last December

as FZ BIBLE 1/10 HCL TAPES of 1952, FIRST SECTION.



The Time Track of Theta tapes that we posted earlier last year 

are also from this lecture series.  They fit right after the 

tapes in this current set of postings.



We will do the final third of the HCL lectures later this

year including the battle of the universes tape which has

been labled confidential and is not in the R&D volumes.

Note that this lecture series (mainly the final third) is 

the research line for NOTS.



Coming Soon: The 5th ACC (The "Universes" cassettes).





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CONTENTS:



1.  HCL-7   6 MAR 52 EFFORT AND COUNTER-EFFORT

2.  HCL-8   6 MAR 52 ATTACK ON THE PRECLEAR

3.  HCL-9   7 MAR 52 FACSIMILES: HOW TO HANDLE RECORDINGS

4.  HCL-10  7 MAR 52 INDOCTRINATION OF THE PRECLEAR

5.  HCL-11  8 MAR 52 RESOLUTION OF EFFORT_AND COUNTER-EBFORT: OVERT ACTS

6.  HCL-12  8 MAR 52 INDOCTRINATION IN THE USE OF THE EMETER

  Reposted in two parts as 6A/6B

7.  HCL-13  9 MAR 52 THOUGHT, EMOTION, & EFFORT AND COUNTER-EFFORT

8.  HCL-14  9 MAR 52 DEMO: EFFORT, COUNTER-EFFORT, STRAIGHTWIRE

9.  HCL-15 10 MAR 52 TRAINING AUDITORS: THE ANATOMY OF FAC ONE

10. HCL-17 10 MAR 52 RUNNING EFFORT AND COUNTER-EFFORT



Note that the first set of 10 HCL lectures ended with

HCL-6A of 5 MAR 52.



Note that HCL-12 consists of HCL-12 and HCL-12A on the reels.



Note that HCL-16 was not part of the reels nor is it in the

R&D volumes.  If anyone has a copy, please post it.



Note that HCL-18 was combined with HCL-27 in the R&D volumes

and we will post it in part 3 of this series.  The Time Track

of Theta tapes are HCL-19 and 20.



In cases where the reels include material that is not in

the R&D volumes, the text is marked with ">".





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The Cof$ abusively suppresses the practice and use of

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The writings of LRH form our Old Testament just as the writings

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HCL-12 and HCL-12A (two reels, combined as one long lecture 

in new R&D vol 10 pages 21 to 87)



INDOCTRINATION IN THE USE OF THE EMETER



A lecture and auditing demonstration given on 8 March 1952



(rerecorded 1973)



I want to give you a talk and indoctrination on the use of

a psychogalvanometer.



Anyone who pretends to a knowledge of auditing should also

at least pretend to a knowledge of how to use one of these

machines. This machine is a small edition of those machines

employed by police departments and which they call "lie

detectors," The difference between this machine and a

police department machine is elementary: a police

department machine is just more of it.



A police department machine measures respiration, blood

pressure, normally electronic impulse. They measure maybe

as many as four or five factors. The point is, this machine

measures solely the electrical resistance of the body.



The electrical resistance of the body rises and falls in

direct ratio to the amount of resistance a person is giving

to his facsimiles. In other words, here is the individual.

[marking on blackboard] The mind is acting upon a physical

organism. This physical organism can have piped through it

a very thin current of electricity.



Now, the mind does not have any such current running

through it. This is merely the brain structure, the

switchboard. This would be like measuring what is said over

a telephone by measuring the current going across a

telephone line. You see that an operator would not have the

machine on him - the actual operator would not have the

machine on him. What the operator would be doing would be

talking into, or giving forth speech into a switchboard

system.



Now, you could measure this switchboard system and get some

vague approximation of how this person felt about what he

was talking about because he might talk with heavy stress,

with anger; might talk apathetically and might, in short, 

produce various electrical impulses on the speaker of the

telephone,



In such a way, the mind is monitoring the switchboard

system of the body. And by piping a small current through

the switchboard system of the body, you can find out what

facsimiles are being impressed upon the body and how much

emotional charge or stress there is on these facsimiles. At

no time does this electrical current go through the mind.

It does not pass through the facsimiles. It passes through

the neurons, which are being monitored by the facsimiles,

just as the machine is not attached to the operator talking

through the switchboard, but is attached to the

switchboard. In other words, this is an electrical-response

mechanism for the measurement of the physical body's

reaction to its thoughts.



Now, oddly enough, a person's thoughts alter and shift

below the level of his consciousness because a person has

so constituted his facsimiles or his mind as to produce in

them barriers. There are things which he does not think he

wants to know, things of which he does not want to be

guilty, things of which he wishes no concourse with these

items at all, and so he drops a barrier between what he has

constituted his analytical mind and this bank of data.



Now, actually, every death a person dies is such a barrier.

Death is not unlike an electric shock of great magnitude.

The physical body goes into a convulsion on death - death is

quite a shock and has a tendency to put a barrier in front

of that bank of data and so walls it off. The person

believes that if he remembers anything about the life, he

will get the pain of the death. It's not so. And where it

is so, it's only because of Facsimile One.



Actually, it's no reason why you couldn't remember all the

way back down through all the years that you have ever

lived, And as a matter of fact, with a relatively small

amount of auditing, you will be able to do so.



This machine, however, and the facsimiles themselves do not 

happen to care about the barriers. These facsimiles will shift 

and rearrange and influence the body without the awareness of

the individual, in his mind - without that awareness knowing

what is shifting.



The mind plays a little game with itself. It says, "I'm not

going to let my little right hand know what my left hand is

doing," Well, this machine will tell you, when he has his

right hand out in plain sight, what he's doing with his

left.



The value and virtue of this machine is that it actually

and accurately locates the incidents on a case through all

the spans of generations of the individual by demonstrating

to you which incident is charged and which one is not

charged.



As an auditor, you don't have at this moment the electrical

sensitivity necessary to look at the other organism or

touch the other organism and feel accurately what is going

on back of the barrier. As minds at this time, you do not

have under good usage, most of you - in fact, all of you

here unless you've been very well swamped up - the potential

of suddenly taking ahold of the other person's mind and

examining the facsimiles like you'd sort through a deck of

cards.



Lacking these two abilities, dependence upon an electronic

bit of machinery is definitely indicated. You could

actually audit and audit and audit and audit a preclear

without contacting the item necessary to resolve his case.

You could waste a factor of five to one hours of auditing

if you did not use this machine.



And the reason why is contained in some of the researches

of Mathison, who built this machine. Mathison hooked up

several series of auditor/co-auditor - as co-auditing

teams - hooked each member of the team to one machine.

That's two machines: there's the auditor and there's the

preclear; each one is hooked to a different machine, He

selected, particularly, cases which had bogged down and

which had left Dianetics, and got them back with their

auditor and then tested them to find out why these cases

had stopped therapy. And he found in each and every case it

was because the auditor was trying to audit out of the

preclear what should have been audited out of the auditor.

He would watch these two machines and he would ask the

preclear what had been audited on him, and then turn around

and ask the auditor what should be audited on him.



[footnote in R&D 10 - Mathison: Volney Mathison, an early 

Dianeticist who, after listening to a lecture by L. Ron Hubbard 

outlining the equipment and circuits necessary to detect mental

charge, built the first E-Meter, the Model B, in 1951.

There were various other models of E-Meters built by

Mathison which were used by auditors. The E-Series in 1954

was his last model as his meters had become too complex to

be workable.]



And the auditor every time had been laboriously beating

away at the preclear trying to make the preclear recover

and reduce incidents which should have been reduced in the

auditor. And so these cases left processing. These cases

failed.



Now, that is a mechanism which, in an individual who is not

yet Clear, is certain to take place - certain to take place.

This machine makes it impossible for it to take place. If

you put your preclear on this psychometer and ask him what

should be audited and ask him various questions as

contained on a galvanometric test sheet - as is composed

here at Hubbard College - you will discover what should be

audited.



Now, you will find quite often that you cannot get

Facsimile One for the simple reason that there are too many

overt acts. You'll find out you can't get - even get into

the lock chain of Facsimile One because of present time

situations. And the machine will tell you this quickly, and

it will also tell you the moment that the earliest engram

that you can run will show up.



If you get a very large charge on an overt act, you're not

going to get much charge on an earlier incident such as

Facsimile One. After you've gotten that overt act off the

case, you will then get charge on Facsimile One. That's

because too many barriers have been erected and the machine

is not reading back to the earliest barrier; neither will

the person's mind read back to that earliest barrier or

back of it.



So we get this mechanism: We have a chain of twelve similar

incidents containing heavy effort and counter-effort, And

the first time we look at the case, we only find one

incident, number twelve, unsuspecting that there are eleven

earlier incidents.



We audit out the twelfth, which we think is the only, and

we audit it out thoroughly. And the preclear doesn't

experience any recovery and the incident was very hard to

audit. In the absence of a machine, why, we might never

suspect that there were eleven earlier incidents just like

it.



All you should have done with that incident you first

recovered was to run it through a couple of times so you

could find the eleventh, and find the eleventh and handle

it just long enough to get the eighth, and handle the

eighth just long enough so that you could get the fifth,

and handle the fifth and run it long enough so you can get

back to the second, and run the second enough so that he

drops into the first. And then you audit out the first

thoroughly, and the eleven incidents above the first

incident blow.



Now, that, in short, is an ordinary procedure in auditing,

And this machine tells you what incident is on top at the

moment - at the moment.



And if you get a large charge on an incident that seems to

be relatively irrelevant, believe me, that incident is

borrowing its charge from earlier incidents. And yet those

earlier incidents may not be clearly exposed to view yet.

So you audit off this heavily charged incident and in such

a wise, bare to view the earlier incidents. And so go right

on through the case. This machine will pilot the case for

you. And the piloting of the case is the only reason in the

past why auditors consistently failed.



Many auditors failed consistently and the only reason they

failed was because they were not piloting, assessing,

inventorying properly.



In the medical field this is called diagnosis. Any medical

doctor can tell you that there are many practitioners, but

very, very few diagnosticians. A good diagnostician is

worth all the jewels of the Indies in the medical

profession. And yet a diagnostician has to depend, to a

large degree, upon something like - well, maybe even his

psychic sense.



Old Doc Pottenger, the greatest tuberculosis expert in the

United States, diagnoses by laying on his hands. This man

never fails to locate a case. He doesn't use x-rays, he

doesn't use anything. Somebody walks into his office and

says, "Do I have TB?" And he pats him on the chest, "Hm?"

he says, "No, you've got a long time yet." How does he do

it?



Well, a large assembly of doctors one time had old Doc

Pottenger up on the stage in front of them. And they lined

up twenty-seven patients, I think it was, and these

twenty-seven patients were supposed to be diagnosed by old

Doc Pottenger. And some of them had TB in advanced stages,

and some of them had TB in arrested stages, and some of

them had it in just beginning stages and some of them

didn't have it at all. And an audience of many hundred

doctors sat there and watched old Doc Pottenger go straight

down the line, tap them on the chest, lay on his hands and

say, "This is the condition of this patient," And he was

right, X-ray machines, laborious diagnosis afterwards, said

that he was right.



But you understand that other doctors treating tuberculosis

do not have this facility. Somehow or other they don't have

it. Now, you would not expect a doctor, without this

facility lying to hand, never to use an x-ray machine so

long as x-ray machines were in existence. You wouldn't

expect him to just take a hit-or-miss shot into the blue

and say, "This person has tuberculosis, this person doesn't

have tuberculosis" No. No, he'd send them down to the x-ray

lab - he'd make sure. That x-ray machine in the majority of

cases will show up tuberculosis in its various stages.



Well, this will show you incidents in its various stages.

And as long as you guess, you are liable to this: that you

will diagnose the preclear as you ought to be diagnosed. I

know doctors, by the way, who are treating all of their

patients for their own disease. Don't do that!



This takes it out of the category of guess. Even though it

does, however, a certain expertness - a mechanical expertness - 

has to be learned about this machine. This machine does not

automatically and immediately tell you or tell an operator

who knows nothing about it, what's wrong with a case. You

have to know how to run it. And this machine has

peculiarities.



From machine to machine, as in any electronic equipment,

you have individualities. And for various reasons, when you

get your machine, take very, very good care of it and don't

let other people use it. And use just that machine, and

learn its characteristics and learn to operate it by

experience. There's lots you can do with it. You can bring

in your wife and say, "Dear, I'd like to diagnose your

case. We're going back into earlier lives," and so forth.

And then suddenly say to her, "Uh, were you out with a man

last night?" The machine bops - there you are. (audience

laughter)



This machine is also a "lie detector," completely in

addition to being a diagnostic instrument, But oddly

enough, in spite of the good work that Mathison put in on

this machine to adapt it to Dianetic and Scientological

use, in spite of that, the machine had relatively little

use in comparison to its use now, because huge-charge

incidents were unknown in Scientology and Dianetics. In

Dianetics particularly, there were no hugely charged

incidents.



So this machine, set up very sensitively, would fall maybe

two, three points. A preclear can make it fall two or three

points by breathing fast. He can take a deep breath and

alter the machine to that degree. But with present

incidents and the machine properly set, this machine will

drop dials' worth on the incidents which we are looking for

and which we are running. It will drop the width of the

dial and drop the width of the dial again, and drop the

width of the dial yet again and again and again if an

incident is really there and ready to be run and the

incident you ought to be running.



There are various incidents which show up this way. What we

call the Helper, which is the mitosis at the beginning of

an evolutionary track. Now, this mitosis is a splitting of

the body and is quite ordinarily heavily charged. There's

the Boohoo: a little animal which when it came out of the

sea was having a hard time adjusting itself to an

environment or making the environment adjust to it, and it

had to pump out salt water and so all of your grief blocks

and sobbings and so on of the human being are traced back

to this Boohoo, as you might call it.



Now, their overt acts in particular show up on this

machine. "Did you ever kill a woman?" "Did you ever kill a

man?" "Did you ever kill a child?" "Did you ever kill an

animal?" "Did you ever sin against a group?" "Did you ever 

do this?" "Did you ever do that?" - long series of questions 

will demonstrate an overt act on this machine. Finally you'll 

hit the act that ought to be run and you'll get dials' worth 

of turn on the machine. So that's what you're looking for.



The expertness of asking questions demanded is not very

high. But the care of this machine is something in which

you should interest yourselves. Just as you would not go

out, jump in an automobile, put the gear shift into high,

step off the clutch suddenly with the motor roaring and

expect to leave a clutch in the car and have the car do

anything, so you would never turn on this machine until you

had the preclear with his hands on the cans and settled

down. In other words, leave the machine off until you have

your preclear set up, and then turn the machine on and then

let it warm up and then adjust it. Because your preclear's

liable to knock those cans together. He's liable to knock

two things together and short-circuit the machine and drive

this needle over against a pin. And it's a wonder that

these machines don't blow out more often than they do. And

all of a sudden you'll have a dead machine on your hands,

completely aside from the fact that you will have hurt the

accuracy of the machine thereafter.



So, what you do is fix up your preclear with everything off

here - leave it off. Put the two holders in the preclear's

hands and then turn the machine on slowly from the bottom.

This saves you from shorting the machine out. Just as you

would not put your hand into an electric fan, and about

that order of importance, don't put the cans in a

preclear's hands with the machine on or lighted.



Now, most preclears are fairly calm on this machine, but

you will get a few who are nervous. Instead of getting

machine reaction, when you ask them a question that is

particularly warm they will start to throw their hands

around and scratch their nose and change their position in

the chair - this is almost as good as the machine reading,

because this - they know this machine will tell on them.

That's why they're so nervous.



And so Mathison developed something brand-new with these

machines: he developed a rubber glove. It's a big mitt and

you put the terminals in the preclear's hands and then put

a rubber mitt on one hand. It's a big mitt and it goes over

the electrode and it goes over the wire and everything

else, and you just put this on.



Now he can play patty-cake with the cans and he can wipe

his nose and he can squirm and wave at somebody going by

and reach for cigarettes and do all sorts of things without

changing the needle to such an extent the needle will be

damaged.



By the way, the needle will still change if he keeps waving

around and giving you a semaphore code with these cans

instead of just letting you read it on the needle.



Therefore, you should interest yourself in this mitt,

Because, believe me, about one out of four preclears will

constantly bang these cans together - constantly bang the

electrodes together - and any preclear you put on the

machine, at one time or another, will actually put the

terminals together. He will do it. Anyone will do it. He

picks up the cans, the machine is on. Bang! Over goes your

needle. He tries to pick up the cans with one hand, a

perfectly natural reaction.



So instead of going through these agonies, when your

machine is out of use, have it off. And when he picks up

the terminals and has them apart, and you put on the rubber

mitt, turn the machine on. Then he can't hurt the machine.

And before he lays down the cans, or the terminals, turn

the machine off. Even if it's a pause for a cigarette. Just

turn your machine off, that's all. After all, it's going to

save the tubes, too. Now, this machine is the latest

machine out. I'm going to ask him to put this machine in a

gray case.



I was working with the machine this afternoon - it has an

increased scale. The old machine unfortunately did not have

the capability of reading people who had been shot up the

Tone Scale. As a matter of fact, the old machine read a

"normal" very, very well, and the second that he started to

go up to 0.5 - above normal - of course, the machine went off

the scale. That's exaggerating, but it was a fairly narrow

band.



That machine, by the way, to anybody who has one, can be

adapted rather simply by any electronics man. You just put

a second stage in it - and he'll know what you're talking

about - so the machine will read with even less resistance.



Now, this machine may or may not tell you by numbers the

actual tone of the individual. It'll tell you fairly close

if it's properly set. You, as an auditor, in operating this

machine though, are going to find that you're - will know

pretty well after you've run a few people over it - you'll

know pretty well what you're measuring. You don't have to

read these numbers to find out because an awful lot of

preclears will have the range expander over here way down

to there, and this is way down here, and in order to get

him on the thing at all, you will have the sensitivity

increase barely on, and then you can get him on the meter.

They're off the bottom side that low. That person is in

apathy. From apathy up to about 1.0 - very, very low.



All right. The whole assembly inside there is actually

nothing more than a Wheatstone bridge. It is calibrated to 

measure the relative resistances, or lack of resistances, 

of a very small current of electricity which is passing 

through the body.



Now, actually, a current of electricity - very faint current

of electricity  - comes out and goes into one hand of the

preclear, travels through his body, comes out the other

hand of the preclear and comes back to the machine. And

that trickle of electricity is shut off or unimpeded,

relatively, by what the person is thinking about. In other

words, the facsimile cuts in, affects the physical

organism, that monitors that stream of electricity and here

you read it on a dial - you read this on a dial.



Now, as that dial moves, it will tell you whether a person

enjoys the thought of something or dislikes the thought of

something. And if something gives him a very good feeling,

if he feels very good about something that you ask him, you

will see that you get an increase on the scale. And if he

doesn't feel very good about something, you will get a

decrease on this dial.



Now, it is marked in terms of falling and rising. Some of

the old machines are in reverse to this dial, but you can

see very readily which way it's going, And, furthermore,

you actually don't care too much because nobody gets

remarkable upward surges the way they get downward surges,

particularly for the incidents you're asking for.



We're not interested in what will make the preclear's tone

go up so much as we're interested in what will make it go

down markedly so we can audit that out, because it's

pinning down his whole tone. We use this machine, then, to

measure (I) the tone of the preclear -  relative  -  not

accurately too much on the Tone Scale, but as a check; and

(2) we use it to find out what incident we should audit

next; (3) we can use the machine to straightwire the

preclear - that is, ask him questions and actually break

locks. And you'll see the hot subjects on the case on the

dial, and you'll see the locks break as the needle flashes.

Very simple. And (4) you can use the machine to find out

whether or not he's telling you the truth. Because you'll

get remarkable jumps on the machine when he lies to you. It

takes quite a lot of effort to lie, and as a result the lie

gives you much the same appearance as an emotional charge.



You will notice as a preclear touches the terminals that

the machine can be made to vary. If you were to use flexible

terminals, cans, something of that character, you'll find

out that squeezing them will cause a change in the

needle - a sudden squeeze. If the preclear moves his

thumbs over the surface of the can, you get a sudden

squeeze. Good terminals are to a large degree the solution

of this. There's evidently more conductivity in the fingers

than there is in the palm, so that the machine will vary

more on the variation of fingers than the palm.



The way this machine is turned on is very simple. You reach

over here to the sensitivity increase knob and it should be

pointing to "off," The preclear at this time has the

terminals in his hands and they have been adjusted and

arranged on him before you turn the machine on. Now you

turn the machine on till it clicks - just a click. Now the

machine is on, that is to say, it is warming. It takes a

moment or two for it to warm.



By the way, there is no real saving of time in having the

machine on and then giving it to the preclear - giving the

terminals to the preclear - because the preclear has to warm

the terminals, and the machine reading will change either

by having the machine warmed up or by having the terminals

warmed up. So you could warm up the terminals first or you

could warm up the machine first. Either way is going to

take you the same amount of time, so don't think that

you're saving any time by leaving the machine on, because

the terminals always have to warm up to his body

temperature,



Now, this sensitivity increase knob should be carried about

a quarter of a turn up, so you bring it about a quarter of

a turn up. Now just for experimental sake, because this

machine has to be set different for every preclear you

have, turn that sensitivity increase knob up to horizontal

with - as you face the machine - the needle pointing to the

left. That is to say the pointer on this sensitivity

increase knob pointing to the left.



Now, you look just to the left of the sensitivity increase

knob and you see another knob on the modern machine - this

knob is absent on the earlier machines - and this knob reads

"CORTICAL BLOCKAGE INDICATOR: Use.only when other controls

are fully advanced." Now, you leave that knob off. You just

leave it as it is. I'I1 turn it on for you just to show you

what happens. You just turn it on and you get a red light

there. That puts the machine up on an upper range of

sensitivity.



Now you get over here to the range expander. The range

expander is designed to be carried straight up at neutral.

So you come over here to this range expander and you move

it up to neutral. Now we find out that your range expander

has been moved up and the machine has moved all the way

across the dial. Now you want this needle to carry between

ten and forty on this machine. Set it somewhere between ten

and forty And here it is with your range expander setting

it clear over here to a hundred.



Commentator: As the range expander moved into the neutral

position the needle moved completely to the right.



LRH: Well, that just means that the preclear who is now holding

these cans is good, high Tone Scale. He's well up the Tone

Scale.



So what do you do about this?



We look up here and we find that this tone lever on the

face of the machine up here says tone rising, falling - the

one which has 2,0 at its top, 2,5 all the way over to the

right, 1.5 all the way over to the left. We bring this

thing all the way back to 1.5 and we find that it still

doesn't come off a hundred. The machine, then, is reading

clear up on the top of the dial. Now, what do we do to get

this preclear on the machine? He's above the machine at

this point. Well, there's two or three things that we can

do, but the right thing to do is to reach over here and

pull this tone all the way back to 1.5. He's not on the top

of the dial, the next thing to do is pull back the range

expander, regardless of what it says.



Commentator: The needle is now moving to the left as Mr.

Hubbard moves the range expander to the left.



LRH:  Pull back this range expander back here to its medium

point between minus 2.5 and neutral.



Commentator: Needle is now centered.



LRH: Now this machine, by the way, is not telling anybody at

this moment what his tone is. But you, by experience and by

operation, know that when you've done this you simply have

a preclear who is above scale. Preclear is above scale. All

right. Now, it's necessary, then, somehow or other, to get

him on the Tone Scale. All right, let's take this cortical

blockage indicator and let's swing it on. Now let's see if

we can get him up here.



Commentator: The needle has gone clear to the right.



LRH: Nope, we can't. So let's bring back here, range expander,

neutral. Lets bring it back well over to here and set the 

machine lower with the range expander.



Commentator: With the upper range now on, needle is now

positioned just to the left of center.



LRH: But we still have no latitude here with this upper-tone

indicator so that we bring it over toward center, the

machine goes down again. So we have to bring this range

expander lower to bring this up higher. Range expander

lower, this up higher - we're centering the machine.



Commentator: The needle is now just to the right of center.



LRH: You will operate this machine by alternating between the

range expander and the tone handle. These three lower

things we call knobs. The upper one, let's call it a handle.

And that makes it rather easy to understand.



Now, let's ask this preclear a question. "Do you beat your

wife?"



PC: Not much.



LRH:  Not much.



Commentator: Needle is rising.



LRH: Now, what are we getting a tone rise on there for? Are you

married? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Have you ever been married? 



PC: Twice. 



LRH: Oh, you've been twice married. 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: Did you ever beat either wife, by the way?



Commentator: Needle is full against the right side of the

dial.



PC: Very little.



LRH: Very little, huh? Machine is back up here too high again,

so, as an operator, I have to bring the machine back on.

Now I'm taking this handle up here and I'm bringing it

back. Hereafter, I will locate the point of the needle with

this handle. Now, something might be wrong here, something

might be wrong here. This needle might be fluctuating too

greatly. So I ask him a question like, "Are you a man?"



Well, are you a man?



PC: Well, naturally.



LRH: Naturally. We're getting a little bit of fluctuation there

and the machine is going up a little bit.



Now let me show you something. Let's set this sensitivity

increase up higher - set the sensitivity increase up higher

until it is center, and now let me ask you: Are you a man?



PC: Naturally.



LRH: Now you notice that sensitivity increase is sitting at

what would be, according to a pilot's rating, 10 o'clock on

a dial.



Commentator: Needle event home against the right, almost

against the right side of the dial and then flipped back

and now falling.



LRH: If this was a clock face, this is sitting at

about - sensitivity increase is sitting at about 10 o'clock.



And notice the needle is swinging on this business, "Are

you a man?" It's swinging very widely. Now, there's

obviously very little charge on that. That means that our

sensitivity increase was probably properly set. Now, this

sensitivity increase button is very sensitive. It is very

critical. A little, tiny bit of change on it will make a

very wide and marked change on the scale. So let's pull it

back down here a little bit and let's ask you, "Did you

ever know somebody who wasn't a man?"



Commentator: Needle is now against the left edge of the

dial, rising.



PC: Yeah, I reckon.



LRH: Now, we're getting a little tiny bit of change on that.

Okay? You evidently never lived in Hollywood. Well...



PC: (laugh)



Commentator: Tone has risen, now rising. 



LRH:  Now, let's - this machine is set. Did I amuse you? 



PC: Yes. 



LRH: That remark?



Commentator: It is now centered. The tone control is at

about 9 o'clock.



LRH: Pass over the moment you laughed. Pass over the

moment I said it. Now watch this machine dial. Go over the

moment I said it.



Commentator: The range control is full to the left. Center

knob or cortical blockage knob is on. 



LRH: Get the moment of surprise when I said it.



Commentator: Sensitivity is at 9 o'clock. The preclear is

scanning, needle fluctuating, tone falling and then rising

about four points on the dial.



LRH: Go over it again.



PC: Still funny.



LRH: Yeah?



PC: Yeah.



LRH: Still funny. Okay. You finally contacted it. It took you a

moment or two to contact it, didn't it, huh?



PC: (laughing) Yeah, I guess so. 



LRH: Yeah. You notice this machine is now rising. That means his 

tone is up on his contact with it. If I had said something which 

was a shock to him, which shocked him, and he went over it, it'd 

go down.



Commentator: As Mr. Hubbard talks the needle is centered.



LRH: Now I'll demonstrate. That's all right with you if I ... 



PC: Oh, anything. 



LRH: ... if I demonstrate it? Okay? 



Commentator: Preclear is not fluctuating. 



PC: All for science. 



Commentator: Needle is now rising.



LRH:  All right. Now, let's get a - let's get a good, solid

pinch on here-good, solid pinch. 



Commentator: As he is pinched, the needle is now rising. 



LRH: What's the machine doing? 



Audience: Down. Down.



LRH: Now it's going down? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: In other words, he wasn't quite sure what I was doing 

there, up and down. Now, you felt that effort I was putting 

in as I pinched your arm? All right, let's run it out. Go 

back to the moment I pinched it.



Commentator: As the preclear runs out the pinch, the needle

is dropping and then rising, fluctuating about three points

on the dial.



LRH:  Going through it? (pause) Can you feel the pinch?

(pause) Get your effort not to be pinched. (pause)



Commentator: As the preclear contacts the effort, the

needle fluctuates about two points. 



LRH: Get it again: not to be pinched. 



Commentator: Needle is now droping as much as five full 

points on the dial.



LRH: What did you hit at that moment?



PC: Passed me by, if I hit something. 



LRH: Well, you got it - the pinch there? 



PC: Mm-hm.



LRH: All right, let's run it - through it again.



Commentator: Immediate fluctuation of about three Points

falling, falling more. Needle remaining stationary at the 

bottom of the drop.. Now it's rising.



LRH: You feel a pinch? Get the fingernail dig I did to

you. There should be a little somatic on that. Is there?



PC: A little worried, now - there it goes.



Commentator: As the preclear contacts the fingernail dig

the needle again drops about four goints. 



LRH: Have you got it? 



PC: (laughing) 



LRH: Okay. 



Commentator: And is now giving a full rise to the top band 

that it rested at at the beginning of this run. 



LRH: Let's go over it again.



Commentator: Again a drop of about three points on the

dial. This fluctuation of the needle is occurring

immediately in the center band - the center band between the

two numbers on the center of the dial.



LRH: I don't figure you mind being pinched too much. Here's an

example of a facsimile. And by the way, this is a very

excellent method of demonstrating to people the reality of

these things called facsimiles. Set up this machine and put

the terminals in the hands of the preclear, have the

machine set up the way it's supposed to be set up and then

paste him one.



Commentator: As Mr. Hubbard said, "paste him one" the

needle dropped about ten points, and is now rising pretty

rapidly.



LRH: People to whom you're demonstrating this machine will

see it immediately - I'm not going to.



PC: I don't care. Go ahead.



LRH: They will see immediately that the machine does a dive. 

It changes. As a matter of fact, if you were to strike him

suddenly - let's say in the pit of the stomach with a couple

of fingers or something like that - you'd see the machine do

quite a change. People have seen the machine change once,

so now the next time you ask the preclear to run through

the moment he was hit and then finally make him contact the

moment he was hit, contact his own thought when he was hit,

contact his emotion the moment he was being hit, and in

short, run it out. And they will see that he has pulled

back the facsimile and is actually running it through. Of

course, they may believe it's still contained in the cells

or some such thing, but when you ask him this question,

"Have you ever lived before?"



PC: No.



Commentator: Needle did a drop of about two points and now

coming up very rapidly, approaching the right side of the

dial.



LRH: See? You get a shift on it. Obviously the cells couldn't

contain charge across life spans, which is, by the way, one

of the proofs on the non-wavelength, non-energy content of 

theta. All right.



> [Ed note: non-wavelength is on the tape but edited out of

the R&D transcript]



Be sure you get what I mean when I tell you about this

sensitivity increase button. That button can be set so low

that the machine doesn't even wobble. The needle doesn't

even wobble. It can be set so low. Now, it can be set so

high that anything will make the needle wobble. It's up to

you to establish for the preclear the point on the machine

where you get optimum needle reaction. In other words, 

where you only get a big show of charge where there is 

charge. You don't want a whole-dial drop on the machine

when you say, "Do you remember the last time you lost your

wallet?" 



PC: Hm. Been quite a spell. 



LRH: Been quite a spell. 



PC: Didn't have much money in it anyway.



LRH: Didn't, huh?



Commentator: There's a rise in tone here, approaching

twenty points.



LRH: Well now, you see, that's quite a drop. So obviously

setting this needle at this sensitivity level, is set just

a little bit too high. So I ought to trim it off just a

hair, maybe half an hour if that were a clock face. 



PC: One thing. 



LRH: What? 



PC: One thing. When you started asking me if I remembered 

something, it wasn't a wallet I remembered, but I don't 

know what it was. 



LRH: What was it? 



PC: Ah-ha, that's it - what was it? 



LRH: What was it that you didn't remember? Is this Facsimile 

One? 



PC: Doubt it. 



LRH: You're not supposed to remember? 



PC: Well, it's different than that. I'm not afraid of Facsimile 

One. At least I don't think I am. 



LRH: Are you afraid of Facsimile One? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Were you afraid at the time? 



PC: Yes.



LRH: Mm-hm. Have you run the fear out of it?



PC: I run some terror out of something.



LRH: Yeah?



PC: Buckets full. 



LRH: Buckets full? 



PC: Yeah. Buckets full. 



LRH: Feel good since? 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: I notice you're pretty well up on this dial here.

Well, that's good - that's good. Have you ever used

Facsimile One on anyone?



Commentator: The needle reads tension, and not tone.



PC: I wouldn't use it...



LRH: Have you ever used it on anyone? Would you shut off the

information from yourself if you've used it on someone?



PC: If I used it on someone, I did shut off the information

from myself.



LRH: Yeah. How many times did you use it? Order of magnitude.

Tens? Hundreds?



PC: I got fifteen the first time you said anything.



LRH: Fifteen, huh? Used it about fifteen times on people?



PC: Uh-huh.



LRH: Who died? Did anybody die when you used Facsimile One 

on them?



PC: I almost said everyone I used it on died.



LRH: Everyone. Oh, eventually.



PC: Yeah, eventually (laugh).



LRH: They all died. All right. 



[to audience] I notice this needle here, by the way, is swinging 

just a little bit too little, So I'11 bring back the sensitivity 

indicator to 9 o'clock, horizontal. Now, you'll sometimes find 

preclears very anxious to invalidate this machine. They come up 

and they take a look at the machine, and they say, "Mmmmm-mmm,

that thing can tell on me!" And so they go away and they

say all sorts of things: "Well, it didn't register." And I had 

somebody up at the house the other night that was working with 

this machine, and his wife promptly took the cans away from him 

and said, "Look dear, the machine varies every time

you move your thumbs." So she moved her thumbs all over the

surface of the machine. He was not moving his thumbs. But

what he was doing was crossing and uncrossing his hands and

arms, and every time he did this you'd get a quiver on the

machine. 



She was very anxious that this machine would not

show up something about him, or something about her with

regard to him. And she was very anxious for the machine to

be wrong. What she overlooked was this fact: A good

operator on this machine knows very well whether his

preclear is moving his thumbs, moving his fingers, shifting

his feet, yawning and so on. And when the preclear does

these things, it makes a certain kind of a motion on the

machine, an agitated quiver of one sort or another, which

he reads as such. He doesn't pay any attention to these

shifted thumbs and that sort of thing. They register on the

machine. So they register. He doesn't say anything about

them, except it tells him every time he asks a question and

gets a sudden shift, it says this preclear is agitated

about that subject, or is agitated about some related

subject. All right, now let's go into this a little more

deeply. 



[to pc] Did you ever eat any women?



PC: No.



LRH: No?



PC: No.



LRH: Never, huh?



PC: Never.



LRH: Thought doesn't even make you quiver?



Commentator: Preclear's tone is now falling.



PC: Sure it does. 



LRH: It does? 



PC: Sure. 



LRH: Well then, did you ever eat any? 



PC: Well, I don't think so. 



LRH: Well, did you ever see one eaten? 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: Yeah?



Commentator: Falling more rapidly.



LRH: Yeah, so you did.



Commentator: Needle is now about four points from the 

right side of the dial. 



LRH: Okay. How long ago was this? 



PC: Quite a spell. 



LRH: Million years? (pause) Two million years? Million and

a half? 



PC: I got "yes". 



LRH: On what?



A million and a half.



LRH: Million and a half 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Well, the reason I said million and a half is because

you quivered both on a million and two million. 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: And changed on a million and a half. 



PC: Changed? 



LRH: I mean, the needle ...



PC: Oh. 



LRH: ... that's the needle action. 



PC: Oh. 



LRH: All right. Now, that sounds like a silly question,

but I wonder why everyone has this feeling about

cannibalism. 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: There must have been something in the racial line

sometime or other that gives them this jolt about

cannibalism. All right.

    

You ever been up in an airplane? 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: Scare you?



PC: Yeah.



LRH: So it did. 



PC: Still does. 



LRH: Still does, huh? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Okay. 



Commentator: Needle is rising almost to the pin on the right 

side of the dial. 



LRH: You don't like these airplanes.



PC: I like them, but I - and I'd like to ...



LRH: Well, is this falling sensation fixed on an earlier

incident? 



PC: It's not the falling. 



LRH: What is it? Fear of falling? What is it?



PC: No, it seems like the engine is going to explode.



LRH: Oh, the engine is going to explode!



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Uh-huh. Would you say the motor - the motor noise?



Commentator: Mr. Hubbard has now moved the needle into the

center of the dial by adjusting the tone control, and it is

now at about 8 o'clock.



PC: Well, it seems like the engine is laboring too hard.



LRH: Laboring too hard... 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: ... and it's liable to explode? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Is this in Facsimile One?



PC: I've wondered about that. Is it? I don't know.



LRH: You don't know. 



PC: Probably is. 



LRH: Is it in Facsimile One?



PC: Well, there's noise in Facsimile One.



Commentator: Preclear's tone is dropping. Moving - needle

moving to the right as this gentleman discusses Facsimile

One.



LRH: That's right. Is it like an engine noise?



PC: Well, I figure there's some kind ... 



LRH: Did you ever have an engine explode on you? 



PC: Not lately. 



LRH: Some past life, did an engine explode on you? 



PC: Well, maybe. Yeah, I guess so. 



LRH: Some kind of a steam engine, maybe? 



PC: Nah. Steam? About have to be, wouldn't it? 



LRH: Oh, I don't know. Might have been a rocket engine. 



PC: Yeah, it might have been.



LRH: Might have been. 



Commentator: Needle is moving to the left, indicating a rising 

tone. 



LRH:  Okay. I don't think you're very worried about it,

though, are you?



PC: Well, I'd like to solve it, that's all ... 



LRH: You would?



PC: ... so I wouldn't be afraid up in an airplane.



LRH: Mm-hm. That's very bad. Has the fear of falling got

anything to do with it? 



PC: Oh, slightly I wouldn't - if the engines exploded that's 

what would happen - l'd fall. 



LRH: Mm-hm.



PC: Wouldn't like that. 



LRH: Did you ever run the Boohoo? 



PC: Some, yeah. 



LRH: This little gimmick that comes out of the waves. Was

there any charge on it?



PC: Well, I got quite a line charge on it. 



LRH: Got a line charge on it, did you? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: How about the Helper? 



PC: Well, I didn't get through it somehow or other.



Commentator: The needle moved towards the left, a rising

tone on the discussion of Boohoo.



LRH:  Didn't get through it? What's the matter with this

splitting?



PC: Well, it wouldn't resolve for some reason or other.



Commentator: Dropped about two points on the discussion of

Helper.



LRH: By the way, were you ever rejected from some society

or other and sent down to earth?



PC: I expect so. Weren't we all?



Commentator: Needle is waving and starting to move towards

the right as they talk about rejection.



LRH: Yeah, but do you recall anything about this?



PC: Offhand, no. 



LRH: Offhand, no. How do you feel about being rejected from 

groups? 



PC: Well, I - up until I got in Dianetics, I never cared. 



LRH: Never cared. 



PC: At least, I thought I didn't.



LRH: How about being rejected by mankind? 



PC: Oh, I wouldn't like that, I wouldn't like that.



LRH:  Wouldn't like that at all.



Commentator: Needle has now moved towards the right, and

dropped in tone, approximately four points on the dial.



LRH:  Did you ever get court-martialed for anything?



PC: Well, I got in the jug, all right.



LRH: Yeah? And you didn't like that?



PC: No sir!



Commentator: A very rapid drop in tone.



PC: I didn't like that.



LRH: Has this got anything to do with Facsimile One?



Commentator: The needle has moved past the center of the

dial towards the right. 



PC: No. 



LRH: No?



PC: No. It couldn't have.



Commentator: A couple toeuards the left, about five points.



LRH: It just - it had something to do with just it. 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Have you ever been in jail in any past life? 



PC: Don't know. 



LRH: You don't know. Have you been? 



Commentator: Needle rising. 



PC: No. 



LRH: No? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Never have been? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Did you ever put anybody in jail? 



Commentator: Moving towards the left or rising in tone. 



PC: No. 



LRH: You ever put anybody in jail and have them die?



PC: No.



LRH:  A little needle quiver here. Did you ever put anybody

in jail? Who did you lock in a dark closet? Did you ever

get locked in a dark closet?



PC: I don't like to be locked in a dark closet.



LRH: You don't, huh? 



PC: No. 



LRH: You don't not like it too much, though.



PC: Well, I can get out, Probably.



LRH: All right. What about - is there a particular incident

ought to be hit next in your case? 



PC: I reckon. 



LRH: What is it? 



PC: Overt act. 



LRH: Overt act against what? 



Commentator: The needle has now moved rapidly towards the right. 



PC: Another guy. 



LRH: Another man? 



PC: I think. 



LRH: What'd you do to him? 



Commentator: Still dropping.



PC: Well, that's it, what'd I do to him?



LRH: Hit him? 



PC: Maybe. 



LRH: Kick him? 



PC: Maybe. 



LRH:  Bite him?



PC: Maybe. I got a little somatic in my left arm.



Commentator: Needle moved back to the left on "Kick him?"



LRH: Bite him?



PC: I-I had ...



LRH: Did you bite his arm off'



Commentator: Slight drop on "bite."



PC: Well, hardly. 



LRH: Well, not "hardly." Did you ever look at any

pictures of anybody on the anthropoid line? They're mostly

teeth.



PC: Yeah, yeah. 



LRH: You know, go get an Encyclopaedia Britannica

sometime and just look at those teeth, 



PC: Well, I read a couple of stories on evolution, too. 



LRH: Mm-hm. 



PC: Yes.



Commentator: Needle has now moved back towards its original

position on the left before the discussion of overt acts

started.



LRH:  All right. Did you bite him?



PC: Aw...(laugh) 



LRH: Come on. How did you bite him? 



PC: You want me to show you, huh?



LRH: Yeah, just bite at him,



Commentator: Needle is moving to the right. Now moved past

the center of the dial.



LRH:  All right let's bite at him.



PC: What do you think I'm doing?



Commentator: Preclear is biting.



PC: Hold your arm out here. (laughter) 



LRH: Oh, you want to do it again, huh? How does it feel biting him? 



PC: Hard-hard to bite him and chew my gum, too.



Commentator: Preclear continues to bite.



LRH:  What about biting him? Do you bite his arm off?



Commentator: Needle is slight ... 



LRH: Bite his throat out? 



PC: That's more like it. 



Commentator: ... starting to move towards the left indicating 

rising tone. 



LRH: Oh, bit his throat out? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Well, you'd have to turn your head on the side to

bite his throat out. 



PC: Oh, okay. Whew!



LRH: Oh, you don't like to do that?



PC: Well, I got a little tiny twinge.



LRH: Oh, you did, didn't you? Well, go ahead and bite his

throat out.



PC: Let's see ... (pause)



LRH: Well, bite his throat out good now. Do esophaguses

and jugular veins bleed much when you bite them out?



Commentator: Needle moves towards the right, tone falling.



PC: Pretty good tastin. 



LRH: You got a twinge?



PC: Wait - l'll get it on the other side, maybe I bit him the

other way.



LRH: Okay.



PC: Guess I didn't bite him.



LRH: Why? 



PC: No somatics. 



LRH: No somatics? 



PC: No somatic. 



LRH: Maybe you didn't regret it?



PC: I didn't.



Commentator: Needle fluctuated on that question.



LRH: Did you ever kick him?



PC: No.



LRH: Stab him?



PC: No. Probably - let's see, what could I have done to him?



LRH: Choke him? Claw his eyes out? 



PC: Nah.



Commentator: Tone rise on "choke him" and on "clawing his

eyes out" 



LRH: You steal something from him, too? 



Commentator: ... about three points rise on the needle. 



LRH: Was it in the cave period?



PC: You got me. 



LRH: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Hit him in the teeth with

a stone ax? 



PC: I'd - I don't like that. Nah, I don't like that.



LRH: Don't like that one, huh? Needle says you don't mind it.



PC: Well, I must be a big liar then. (laughs)



LRH: All right. What about stabbing him with a stone

knife? 



Commentator: Needle now moving toevards the right,

tone falling. 



PC: That'd be all right. 



LRH: How about bashing his brains out with a rock?



Commentator: There's a rise on that question of about three

points.



PC: That'd be all right. 



LRH: Oh, you did that once, but that isn't it, huh? 



PC: I just got a little tiny somatic on that. 



LRH: Tiny somatic. 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Well, what about stamping on him with both feet?



PC: Well, I got another somatic in the arm.



Commentator: Little fluctuation.



LRH: Is this all the same incident? 



PC: Is it? 



LRH: Is it? 



PC: I don't know.



LRH: Might be, but this isn't the principal overt-act

incident. Did you ever duel with anybody?



PC: Well, don't recollect it.



LRH: You don't recollect it? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Did you - oh, you have, huh? 



PC: (laughs) 



LRH: Gun? 



Commentator: Needle now moving to the right and  getting a 

dropping tone. 



LRH: Oh, a gun. 



PC: Hard to believe. 



LRH: Pistols at dawn? Or was it in back of him?



Commentator: Slight rise. 



LRH: Or did you shoot him from ambush?



PC: Oh, I wouldn't do that.



LRH: Did you shoot him from ambush? 



PC: No.



LRH: Did you duel with him? 



PC: Sounds better.



Commentator: Needle now moving towards the left, about

three points. 



LRH: Did you back to back and walk off so many paces, and

you turned first?



PC: I'd say that I turned first.



LRH: Oh, yes, so you did. You turned before you were

supposed to turn, didn't you? 



PC: Ah, I got him. 



LRH: You got him. 



Commentator: Tone now dropping very ragidly to the right. 



LRH: So you did. What did your friends say? 



Commentator: Remaining stationary about the center dial. 



PC: Oh, they didn't like it. 



LRH: They didn't like him? 



PC: No, they didn't like that. 



Commentator: Moving to the left now, three points, four points. 



LRH: They didn't like that. 



PC: Mm. 



LRH: Said you weren't a gentlemen. 



PC: Yeah, something like that. Said I was a stinker, and ... 



LRH: Uh-huh. Would they associate with you afterward? 



PC: That - sure, sure. 



LRH: Oh, they did, huh? 



PC: Oh, yeah. 



LRH: It all wore off in a ... 



PC: Oho!



LRH: ... few gallons of - what? What country was this in?



PC: I don't know I got too many answers here all at once.



LRH:  Well, what were the too many answers?



PC: I got Asia, New York and At-- and ...



LRH: Are they all correct?



PC: Oh-ho, they might be!



LRH: Uh-uh. You make a habit of doing this?



Commentator: The needle is moving-moving to~uards the right

indicating a drop in tone. 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: You walk away from the guy and turn around and shoot, huh? 



PC: Do I? Do I do that? 



LRH: Well, is that the way you do it? 



PC: If you say so. 



LRH: Well, did you ever shoot a guy the morning before you

were supposed to duel?



PC: That would be a good deal. That'd get him, wouldn't it?

And then bury him.



Commentator: A drop in tone of about five points. 



LRH: And then bury him? 



PC: And then bury him. 



LRH: And he never reported for the duel and that cost him

his honor. He must have been a coward, because he didn't

show up. 



PC: Ah-ha!



LRH: What about that? 



PC: Well, I ...



LRH: So help me God!



PC: That - that's it. 



LRH: That's awful hot, isn't it? 



Commentator: Needle is now moving towards the right, dropping 

tone.



PC: That's it. I shot him and then buried him and that son of a

gun's still trying to get out of the ground.



LRH: Uh-huh. Does that kind of haunt you sometimes?



PC: Yeah, lots.



LRH: Was this in Asia? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Europe? 



PC: Probably not. 



Commentator: Needle rising on these questions. 



LRH: England? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: England? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: America? 



PC: America? 



Commentator: Slight drop to the right on that question. 



LRH: America? 



PC: Maybe. 



LRH: An Englishman in America? 



PC: Yeah. Could be. 



Commentator: A rise in tone on that question. 



LRH: England? England? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Which is it? England?



PC: Well, it seems like England.



LRH: Seems like England. 



Commentator: Slight drop on England. 



LRH: Maybe Scotland. 



PC: Oh, boy!



LRH: Scotland. Okay. 



Commentator: A drop on Scotland.



LRH: Yep, that's fine, What part of Scotland?



Commentator: Needle is continuing to move to the right or

dropping in tone as the discussion of Scotland continues.



LRH: "In lone Glenartney's hazel shade" or some such thing?



PC: No. Edinburgh? 



LRH: Edinburgh? 



PC: Mm, that's one I thought of.



LRH: Were you a medical student in Edinburgh? 



PC: Oh, no! 



LRH: No? 



PC: Don't bring that out. 



LRH: Why? 



PC: Oh, I wouldn't want to be a medical student in Edinburgh. 



LRH: Why not?



PC: ... think much of that outfit.



LRH: A medical student in Edinburgh, huh? Well, what else are

you thinking of? Are you thinking of anything else than

just being a medical student in Edinburgh? 



PC: Well, I thought of a story I read about it.



Commentator: Needle has now moved about ten points to the

right.



LRH: Oh. Bad, huh?



PC: Well, it wasn't a very pretty story. 



Robert Louis Stevenson? 



PC: No.



LRH: "The Body Snatchers."



PC: No. I never read that.



LRH: You never did?



PC: I have read a lot of junk about these guys, you know, and

muggers and so forth in Scotland and England.



LRH: Well, what's the matter with going to school in

Edinburgh?



PC: Well, I don't think they got much of a school there.



LRH: Is it medical? 



PC: Yeah, that's one thing. 



LRH: Mm-hm. You don't like that school. 



PC: Nah. 



LRH: You ever stop to wonder why you didn't like it? 



PC: Nope. 



LRH: Did you ever go there? 



PC: No!



LRH:  Ha-ha, I guess you did. Well...  Oh, I wouldn't argue

with that. Is the overt act that we're looking for

associated with killing a guy the night before the duel,

burying him, in Edinburgh? 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: Is there any wrong datum there anyplace? Where did

you shoot him? 



PC: In the head, I guess. 



LRH: Which side of the head? 



PC: Right side. 



LRH: Right side of the head?



PC: Maybe. Maybe the left side.



Commentator: Fluctuation to the right on "the right side of

the head."



LRH: Left side of the head?



PC: Maybe. That's where I get the most somatic running this

B.T. - B.E. all the time. 



LRH: Oh, yeah? What did you shoot him with? A pistol? 



PC: I guess. 



LRH: Which side of the head? 



PC: Left side's where I get the somatic. When I have a headache the

rest Of the ... 



LRH: Well, did you shoot him in the ... What did

you think of then? 



PC: Well, when I have a headache the rest of the time, it's on 

the right side. 



[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]



LRH:  Lock on an earlier incident. The earlier incident

very similar to this ?



Commentator: Tone's gone down to the right about ten points.



PC: No. 



LRH: No? 



PC: No. 



LRH: It was killing somebody, though. 



PC: I wouldn't never kill anybody. 



LRH: You wouldn't, You were the guy that brought it up. I 

didn't bring it up. 



PC: Did I? 



LRH: Yeah. 



PC: But you were asking me questions. 



LRH: Yeah. 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: You confessed to it, you know



Commentator: Tone is falling, needle moving to the right as

this discussion continues.



PC: That's all right. If I did it, I'd take responsibility.



LRH: Now, what did they do to people that killed people? 



PC: Hang them. 



LRH: Hang them? Bad stuff, huh? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Doesn't seem to bother you much. 



PC: Well ... Got over this idea you only live once.



LRH: Oh, got over it, huh? Nearly everybody has.



Commentator: Needle has now returned to its original

position.



LRH: Okay. This gives you some sort of an idea of needle

reaction. Now that needle, by the way, has not acted very

wildly. We haven't gotten really down to it yet. Why don't

you break down and tell me what the girl's name was that

you shot? 



PC: Girl? I want to because I want to run this out. So I 

want to locate it. 



LRH: Yeah. What was her name? 



PC: Ethel. 



LRH: You shot a girl named Ethel? 



PC: Oh, yeah. 



LRH: Where did you shoot her? Left side? 



PC: Where'd I shoot her? 



LRH: Or did you cut her head off? 



PC: Shot her in the throat, maybe. 



LRH: Think you shot her in the throat - by accident, maybe? 



PC: Maybe.



LRH: You got a somatic? By accident?



Commentator: Needle has dropped very rapidly to the right

about twelve points.



PC: Oh, maybe.



LRH: Was it by accident? 



PC: No. 



LRH: Did you think she was a man? Do it on purpose?



PC: Think she was a man?



LRH: Mm-hm. I mean, she walk around the corner of the

house all of a sudden?



PC: Oh. Oh, I see. Think she was a man.



LRH: The incident we're looking for - the year of that

incident will flash when I count from one to five.

One-two-three-four-five (snap). 



PC: 1640, I get. 



LRH: You get 1640. Is this right? 



Commentator: Needle moved to the right. 



LRH:  All right. What's the happenstance in 1640? No use

pacing around, just tell me.



PC: Well, I'm trying to figure it out.



LRH: Well, you don't have to figure it out. Were you

trying to figure it out in the incident? 



PC: Probably. 



LRH: All right. What were you trying to figure out in the

incident?



PC: What'd I do it for, I expect.



LRH: Try to figure out why you did it? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: What did you do in this year? Yes or no, were you

killed in this year? (snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: Did you kill somebody in this year? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: You knew I was going to ask that next, didn't you?

Huh?



PC: (laughing)



LRH: Anticipated it. 



Commentator: Needle drops very ragidly, and is still dropping. 



LRH: Was it a man? (snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: Was it a woman? (snag) 



PC: I got no. 



LRH: Was it a kid? (snap) 



PC: Yeah. 



Commentator: A drop on the question about a kid. 



LRH: Was it a boy? (snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: Was it a girl? (snap) 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Was it an accident? (snag) 



PC: No. 



LRH: On purpose? (snap) 



PC: Yeah. 



Commentator: Tone now rising, needle moving left. 



LRH: Uh-huh. Her age will flash: One-two-three-four-five.

(snag)



PC: That's it - five.



LRH: Five, huh? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Five.



PC: I thought of twelve, but it was five.



LRH: Was she your child?



PC: No.



LRH: Somebody else's child? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Did she know something? 



PC: No. 



LRH: She didn't? 



PC: Well, I got a no. 



LRH: Well, why did you kill her? What's the motive?



PC: She wouldn't understand me. I got this kind of a phrase or

something.



Commentator: Needle's dropping.



LRH: Are you still trying to understand the death? Do you

have to do a life continuum on her now?



PC: Well, I hope not.



LRH: Mm-hm,



Commentator: Slight drop.



LRH: All right. Now, that incident isn't hot enough. That

incident isn't anywhere near hot enough. Let's find a

hotter incident. Now, when I count to - one to five, an

earlier incident, overt act on this chain, a serious one,

the date of it will flash: one-two-three-four-five. (snap)

No flash.



PC: Got 2031. That ain't come around yet.



LRH: 2031. 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: B.C.? (snap)



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: All right. 



PC: I forgot about that. 



Commentator: Needle is dropping.



LRH: You forgot about that. What happened in 2031 B.C.?



PC: Killed my mother.



LRH: Okay. Killed your mother? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



Commentator: Needle dropped, then moored again to the left. 



LRH: She a nice lady? 



PC: Yeah, I reckon. 



LRH: Did you regret it? 



PC: Nah. 



LRH: Was she old? 



PC: Yeah, she ouas getting pretty old anyway ... 



LRH: Getting pretty old anyway. What was it, a tribal

custom or something? 



Commentator: Needle is rising 



LRH: Was it a tribal custom? 



Commentator: Slight drop here. 



PC: Well, if it had been a tribal custom, I wouldn't regret

it at all. 



LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Yes or no, is the overt act

earlier? (snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: Is it later? (snap)



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: All right, the date of the later one will flash:

one-two-three-four-five. (snap) 



PC: 1624 this time. 



LRH:1624. A.D.? (snap) 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Okay, what happened in 1624?



PC: Paralyzed somebody.



LRH: How?



PC: My hands.



LRH: Which side did you paralyze them on? 



PC: Left. 



LRH: Is that the side you're paralyzed on? 



PC: If I'm paralyzed, that's where I'm paralyzed. 



LRH: Well, you say you always get the somatic on the

left side. 



PC: Well, that little one. It's not a very big one.



LRH: You see, when you face somebody that you knock off, you get

a mirror image of them on the somatic. 



PC: Well, the big somatic I have is on the right side. 



LRH: Big somatic is on the right side. So therefore the left 

tunes down further than the right. Is this a woman? 



PC: I get a yeah. 



LRH: Yeah? 



PC: Mm-hm.



LRH: All right. Now that we got that one into view, let's get

the real one. 



PC: Oh-ho, no! More? 



LRH: Yeah, yeah. The date of the overt act, regardless of what it 

is - oh, yes or no, is it against Christ? (snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: Did you ever do anything against Christ? 



PC: No.



Commentator: Needle is dropping, to the right.



LRH: You always been a good Christian?



PC: No.



LRH: You ever been otherwise than a good Christian? 



PC: Indifferent one.



LRH: Indifferent.



Commentator: Tone rise on this.



LRH: All right. Let's get this - the date of the real

honest-to-goodness overt act. You know what we're doing here. 

We're unstacking. Trying to scrape, more or less, just bring off

enough charge so we get this thing into view to save

auditing. Because this thing is - very minor charges have

shown up on this machine at this time. We want a nice big

one. When I count to one to five, the date of the overt act

will flash: one-two-three-four-five. (snap)



PC: 1234.



LRH: 1234. A.D.?(snap) 



PC: No. 



LRH: B.C.? (snap) 



PC: Yeah.



LRH: 1234 B.c. You like snakes? 



Commentator: Drop to the right. 



PC: Not very much. 



Commentator: Further drop.



LRH: Mm. Where was this? What continent? The continent

will flash. (snap)



PC: Asia.



Commentator: Drop to the right.



LRH: Asia. How about India?



PC: No.



LRH: What part of Asia? 



PC: Persia.



LRH: Persia. Okay, Persia, 1234. 



Commentator: Rise in tone on Persia. 



LRH: What calendar?



PC: Khayyam's calendar.



[R&D footnote: Khayyam's calendar: a calendar used in Persia 

(now called Iran) starting in the year 1079. It was called

"Khayyams calendar" because it was created based on the

work of a group of scientists including Omar Khayyam, a

famous Persian mathematician and royal astronomer.]



LRH: Khayyam's calendar. Okay. Would that compare to 1216

on another calendar? (snap) 



PC: Yeah. 



Commentator: Drop here. 



LRH: Yeah. Guess it would. Now, did you ever hear of a cult 

of the snake? 



PC: Mm-hm. 



LRH: Were you one? 



Commentator: Drop in tone. 



PC: just a moment: I have been yuestioned on this before. 



LRH: You've been questioned on it? 



PC: Uh-huh. 



LRH: You've been questioned on it? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: How did you register?



PC: I didn't see the machine. But if it was anything like I

felt I must have fell through the bottom.



LRH: Yeah? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: You don't feel as bad about 1216 now? 



Conmmentutor: Tone is dropping now. 



PC: Got a little charge off of it, I suppose. 



LRH: Yeah? You don't feel as bad about it? 



Commentator: About three points. 



PC: No. 



LRH: Well, as a matter of fact it isn't registering very

much, Gee-whiz. I guess we'll just have to swamp you up the

rest of the line. Let's see what happens now when we turn

this cortical blockage off on the level.



Commentator: Clicking the switch off; needle is now

centered. 



LRH: All right, should we just stop running your case

entirely? 



Commentator: It's the cortical blockage switch.



PC: No. 



LRH: How would you feel if we did? 



Commentator: Slight rise in tone. 



PC: I'd run it myself. 



LRH: Oh, you would, huh? You want to get rid of this stuff? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: You're really guilty. 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Mm-hm. Are you guilty? 



PC: I reckon I am. 



LRH: Should you be hanged? 



PC: No. 



LRH: No.



PC: No. 



LRH: Burned? 



PC: No. 



LRH: What did you think of? 



Commentator: Starting to rise - a nice rise in tone here.



PC: I figure I'll own up to it, that's all.



LRH: You going to own up to it? 



PC: Yeah. 



LRH: Okay. You're going to confess, in other words.



PC: Yeah, to myself. That's the guy I want to confess to.



LRH: Okay. Your other name will now flash: one-two-three-four-five. 

(snap) 



PC: I got John. I always get John. 



LRH: John what? (snap) 



PC: John Paul Jones, I guess. (laughs)



Commentator: Ten-point drop.



LRH: What about John Paul Jones?



PC: Nothing, I guess. Nothing very much. I got - I got John 

Paul, is what I got. 



LRH: John Paul was the proper name of John Paul Jones. Were you 

aware of that? 



PC: Yes, sir. 



LRH: Yeah. Was he your captain once? 



PC: Uh...



Commentator: Tone rising.



LRH: Were you ever John Paul Jones?



PC: Nah, couldn't be.



Commentator: Needle stabilized very close to left-hand edge

of the dial.



LRH: Did you ever fight him?



PC: No.



LRH: Were you on the Serapis? 



PC: Yeah, whatever that was. 



LRH: It says yes, huh? 



PC: Uh-huh.



[R&D footnote: John PaulJones: (1747-1792) original full name 

John Paul, Scottish-born American naval officer in the American

Revolution. In a celebrated battle in 1779, Jones, in

command of the American flagship Bonhomne Richard defeated

the British warship Serapis.]



LRH: He shot you to pieces. Did you get killed? (snap) 



PC: Nah. 



Were you a limey at the time? (snap)



PC: Who me? No.



Commentator: Needle is now moving toeuards the right.



LRH:  Well, we won't worry about it. We won't worry about

it. What we've got here is a case that's remarkably well

swamped...



PC: Uh-huh.



LRH: ... at the time. You've got a lot of charge to come up, a

lot to go, but we haven't got any hot incidents.



PC: Whew!



LRH: Very interesting, very interesting. Now you...



PC: Do you want me to hold on to them?



LRH: Before you let go of these cans, we'll turn off the

machine - swing all knobs down to - all the way over

counter-clockwise. Just turn all knobs counter-clockwise

and we're off the machine on this.



Okay. Let's take another demonstration on this.



[end of HCL-12 reel]



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