Subject: FZ Bible FIRST POSTULATE TAPES 22/35 (20th ACC)
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FIRST POSTULATE TAPES 22/35 (20th American Advanced Clinical Course)

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Contents

20th ACC - First Postulate Cassettes [clearsound]

New #    Old #   Date     Title

20ACC-1  (1)   14 Jul 58 OPENING LECTURE
20ACC-2  (1A)  14 Jul 58 OPENING LECTURE - Q AND A PERIOD
20ACC-3  (2)   15 Jul 58 ACC PROCEDURE OUTLINED E-METER TRS
20ACC-4  (2A)  15 Jul 58 ACC PROC OUTLINED - E-METER TRS - Q AND A PERIOD
20ACC-5  (3)   16 Jul 58 COURSE PROCEDURE OUTLINED
20ACC-6  (3A)  16 Jul 58 COURSE PROCEDURE OUTLINED - Q AND A PERIOD
20ACC-7  (4)   17 Jul 58 BEGINNING AND ENDING SESSION
20ACC-8  (4A)  17 Jul 58 BEGINNING AND ENDING SESSION - Q AND A PERIOD
20ACC-9  (5)   18 Jul 58 ACC TRAINING PROCEDURE
20ACC-10 (5A)  18 Jul 58 ACC TRAINING PROCEDURE - Q & A PERIOD
20ACC-11 (6)   21 Jul 58 THE KEY WORDS (BUTTONS) OF SCIENTOLOGY CLEARING
20ACC-12 (6A)  21 Jul 58 THE KEY WORDS (BUTTONS) OF SCN - Q & A PERIOD
20ACC-13 (7)   22 Jul 58 THE ROCK
20ACC-14 (7A)  22 Jul 58 THE ROCK - Q & A PERIOD
20ACC-15 (8)   23 Jul 58 SPECIAL EFFECT CASES,  ANATOMY OF
20ACC-16 (8A)  23 Jul 58 SPECIAL EFFECT CASES, ANATOMY - Q&A PERIOD
20ACC-17 (9)   24 Jul 58 ANATOMY OF NEEDLES - DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE
20ACC-18 (9A)  24 Jul 58 ANATOMY OF NEEDLES - DIAG. PROC - Q&A PERIOD
20ACC-19 (10)  25 Jul 58 THE ROCK: PUTTING THE PC AT CAUSE
20ACC-20 (10A) 25 Jul 58 Q&A PERIOD - CLEARING THE COMMAND
20ACC-21 (11)  28 Jul 58 ACC COMMAND SHEET - GOALS OF AUDITING
20ACC-22 (12)  29 Jul 58 ACC COMMAND SHEET (cont.)
20ACC-23 (13)  30 Jul 58 ACC COMMAND SHEET (cont. 2)
20ACC-24 (14)  31 Jul 58 RUNNING THE CASE AND THE ROCK
20ACC-25 (15)   1 Aug 58 CASE ANALYSIS - ROCK HUNTING
20ACC-26 (15A)  1 Aug 58 CASE ANALYSIS - ROCK HUNTING (cont.)
20ACC-27 (16)   4 Aug 58 CASE ANALYSIS - ROCK HUNTING (cont. 2)
20ACC-28 (16A)  4 Aug 58 CASE ANALYSIS - ROCK HUNTING - Q&A PERIOD
20ACC-29 (17)   5 Aug 58 ARC
20ACC-30 (18)   6 Aug 58 THE ROCK - ITS ANATOMY
20ACC-31 (19)   7 Aug 58 THE MOST BASIC ROCK OF ALL
20ACC-32 (19A)  7 Aug 58 THE MOST BASIC ROCK OF ALL - Q&A PERIOD
20ACC-33 (20)   8 Aug 58 AUDITOR INTEREST
20ACC-34 (20A)  8 Aug 58 REQUISITES AND FUNDAMENTALS OF A SESSION
20ACC-35 (21)  15 Aug 58 SUMMARY OF 20TH ACC

The clearsound set includes an Appendix containing two HCOBs.  This
has been included with the first lecture above.

Note that old 15B "Q & A PERIOD" of 2 Aug 58 was marked as missing in
the Flag Master List and was later found by Gold.  Its absense here
probably means that they found it to be the same as old 16A (20ACC-28
in the above list).

Old number 19B "Q & A Period" of 8 Aug in the Flag Master List
is also omitted but 20ACC-32 (old 19A) is extremely long and probably
contains both old 19A and 19B.

Note 20ACC-2 (1A) does not appear on the Flag Master List but
appears to be genuine.

We were able to check ten of these against the old reels and
found minor omissions [marked ">" in the transcripts.]

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20ACC-22 (12)  29 Jul 58 ACC COMMAND SHEET (cont.)

ACC COMMAND SHEET (cont.)

A lecture given on 29 July 1958

[Based on the clearsound version only.]

How are you today, huh?

Audience: Fine.

What's the score now of those that I interviewed yesterday?
Your pcs moving along?

Audience: Yep. Yes.

Or did it all go totally astray?

Female voice: Don't know anything about it.

All right. This is the twelfth lecture of the 20th ACC,
July 29, 1958 and I haven't anything to talk to you about
today. You know all there is to know.

It's obvious, isn't it? Hm?

Give me the last Command Sheet. Got it.

You all know all there is to know about everything that's
connected with anything, right? Hm? Nobody got that pun.

Well, there are some cases - there are some cases that are
slightly more difficult than others, and that's most of the
cases.

Well, when you've got somebody wheeling toward solution,
their interest is adequate to carry through. And when their
interest is right up to snuff, they're cooperating and
contributing like mad and you don't have too much
difficulty carrying a case through. But when their interest
isn't there and when they're not up to snuff, I don't know
how you could ever keep anybody in-session unless you kept
them roped, tied to a chair or something like that. They
try to blow at every provocation. They try to do this, try
to do that. But actually, obsessive blowingness is more
interest than just bored.

Now, you can see that looking for a Rock - doing an analysis
on a case, finding out what is actually wrong with a
case - you can see before your eyes the person's interest
increase. You can see that interest pick right up.
Naturally, he's interested because you're running out
obsessive interest in just that and his interest in that is
so great that he doesn't have any interest to spare. So
that a person who has a very bad Rock, whose attention is
being thrown in the wrong direction, becomes very
disinterested. That's something for you to write down, it's
right inside the skull right on that side where you can
peek at it once in a while.

Mr. Pc is not being interested in your running the Rock.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Never, never, never. These two things do
not combine, disinterest and the Rock. You're sort of
mixing up a chemical solution and the chemical solution of
the Rock has, as a definite ingredient, interest.

That which the pc is obsessively mocking up is the realest
thing there is to the pc, MEST universe notwithstanding and
his not-knowingness of it and his irresponsibility for it
notwithstanding; the realest thing on his case is what he
is obsessively creating. Therefore, reality is invited the
moment that you start to audit it.

Do you realize the value of auditing is not measurable in
dollars and cents to a person who is being audited
properly? It is just not measurable. A hundred thousand
dollars an hour would be something he would talk about. Got
the idea? He would talk about. He might not be able to pay
it but he could consider it. Now, that's quite interesting.
He could consider it, without gaping and jumping out the
window and so forth.

Therefore, if you have somebody come in and you're going to
sell him some processing and you say, "Well, it's going to
cost you some money," and he says, "Well, I don't know. I
thought that if you gave me a demonstration and if you
audited me for a while and if I got any results, why, I
would be happy to pay you," you're at once looking at a
tough Rock. That's a tough Rock. His attention is not on
it. He's in a not-knowingness and the physical universe
about him is in a state of total unreality.

You see, now I'm just using price and value of auditing as
a Rock indicator.

Some crazy man running down the street, screaming at
everybody, "These Scientologists are no good. Some day
they're liable to take over" - you know, you'll see this
someday in the future years - "They're no good. They're
liable to take over. They have their fingers into
everything. They're ruining everybody's lives. They hold
private black masses in basements." You know? Standard Homo
sap operating psychotic: This guy is running down the
street, screaming in all directions. Boy, you're looking at
a big Rock there; boy, that thing is big. It so devours his
interest that he begins to put up the manifestation of, "If
anybody helps anybody, they must at once be wiped out and
destroyed utterly." That's that on which he operates. "If
anybody ever helps anybody.." Somebody comes along and he
says, "Central Organization is no good and the better
auditors in the business are no good and you in particular,
where you are, are no good. And it's all no good, no good,
no good. It's all a gyp and a fraud and so forth." Ha!
You're just looking at the help-destroy mechanism.

Now, look at this as a diagnostic - if you please, don't ever
let the FDA hear any of these tapes; diagnostic is a word
which to them means "obscenity." It's synonymous with
"obscenity." I don't know what they think it is, but it's
something pretty bad; it might help somebody. And I'm not
saying anybody up at the FDA is in this kind of shape. All
of them are.

But a diagnostic look at this case is what you should take,
not an emotional look of how do we fight this guy, how do
we keep him from spreading communication, how do we chop
him off and so on. The devil with that! These people don't
get very far in the society and then they usually commit
suicide.

They're not very interesting from a standpoint of a social
mechanism. There are many people like this. This fellow
named Coates - writes in a paper a confidential file every
Thursday night over a chain, so forth. This man is one of
the dirtiest little men in America. All he talks about is
dope addicts, perverts, so forth. This is his stock in
trade. And anybody that helps anybody is a dog. He's a real
dog. It has nothing to do with Scientology. You listen to
his program just to get a slant on the boy and anything
that sets out to help, really, well, that thing is
destructive and should be destroyed. He casts a shadow on
every standard agency unless that agency is, of course,
beyond the pale itself. And it's as much as your life's
worth to be recommended over such a program. If you were to
be recommended over the program, you would just lose all
the business you had.

The public at large is very wise to this sort of thing.
They sort of - they say, "That fellow has a pitch." One of
the ways they describe it. They think he's being paid to do
this, or something on that order. The truth of the matter
is, the fellow is merely nuts.

How do we diagnose a Rock on such a person? That person has
a Rock too, but he's got a Rock so much bigger than most
preclears - and certainly so much bigger than any of
yours - that you would hardly be able to conceive the
magnitude of the thing.

Now, this individual who is talking about "All things which
would help me must be destroyed," is one of the easiest
people to put in-session you ever ran into. You wouldn't
bother with anything else but just diagnosing the Rock. And
it would devour him at once. There would be a large audible
gulp in the auditing room.

Now, don't for a moment believe that the more detached and
offbeat and out-through-the-window and far-departed the
case is from reality, the harder they are to audit. Now,
I'm just punching a hole in that one; that is not true in
Scientology today. The more unreal the physical universe
appears, the more detached they seem to be, the more aloof,
the more bored, the more this, the more that, and certainly
the more destructive they feel toward that, the easier it
is to throw them into their own Rock. Now, I wouldn't
advise you using this as an operating principle out in the
society at large, but it certainly works. The way it works
best is in the auditing room.

Somebody comes to you and asks you for a proof that
Scientology works. They've heard something vague about it
and they tell you there are so many fake things around, and
they just - but they did think they would come over and ask
you about it.

One of the swindles they pull is, if you cured their case
or did something for them, it would mean so much as an
example to so many people. Well, that's an old cracked-case
violin. No, we hear that all the time. That's very
standard. That's a standard type of person and case; they
want something for nothing. There are people that if you
did help them, they would help Scientology. That's true,
but you don't get this as the sole reason you should help
them.

All right. Now, this person shouldn't be talked to, and
actually can't be talked to. The Paul Coateses, the
destructive type person, alike with the person in the
society who is simply being doubtful and he thinks you
should contribute to him in order to prove that you're
right - these are just a gradient scale of difficulty an
auditor runs into.

Let's see how the Rock fits there. The worse off they are,
the less real the physical universe around them is. Only
those things are real to them which they are obsessively
mocking up. There may be some things in the physical
universe around them - there may be some things - which
are very real.

Now, Coates is an example. The only things real to this man
are doped addicts, perverts, sex criminals, anything and
everything that is ugly, mean and nasty. This man could go
to a Sunday school picnic and find nothing there but sex
criminals, dope fiends and so on. He could! Now, he
actually converts existing objects into his own reality so
obsessively that you're sometimes fooled a little bit. Now,
the point is, however, is the physical universe is not real.

And now every one of you, I'm sure, knows this case. You
run him on 8-C, nothing happens. You run him up and down
the track, nothing happens, and so forth. He-apparently all
right. He sits there disinterestedly. He goes through a
seventy-five-hour intensive and at the end of the time he
has very little change of profile, you know, and "Nothing's
happened." You finally get so you could brain him. Well,
you want to be careful with such a case before you brain
him just to make sure that he does have a head sitting
there; it might be just an illusion.

The truth of the matter is, this person's interest can only
be captured by directing it toward that in which it is
interested. Now, as bad as they act, as much like spoiled
brats as they conduct themselves, people like Coates,
nevertheless run on the same mechanisms as everybody else.

By the way, some day you're going to feel a little funny.
You're going to run into some raving psycho and he's going
to be saying, "Well, I want to be - I want to be an auditor
and help people and I could do so much good," and so forth.
And this is all he says and goes over and he goes around
and he bashes things in and tears things down but he wants
to be an auditor and help people, see? He's a raving
psycho. He can handle nothing in the society; he can handle
nothing at all.

And you'll feel awful funny. That happens to me every once
in a while. You'll feel very weird. And you say, "Well,
look, am I this nuts just because I want to be an auditor
and help people, see?" That's your feeling and your
reaction, you know? "Am I this nuts? Is this so crazy an
ambition?" Now, listen - listen, there are crazy people
around who drink water, and that's all they do - drink water.
You understand that? And there are crazy people around who
drive automobiles and that's all they'll do is drive
automobiles. And they tell you about being a good driver
and yak, yak, yak about driving, driving, driving. And all
they will do is drive an automobile. There is nothing else
real to them at all anywhere in the universe except driving
an automobile.

Now, this guy's crazy, so you say to yourself, "Am I an
automobile driver and does this immediately classify me
with this character?" We get the actual use of psychosis,
which is ridicule. It's a kind of a ridicule. It's a kind
of a horrible criticism. It's a sort of a base travesty on
anything decent.

The reason a psychiatrist winds up believing there's
nothing decent anyplace is because he has seen every
decent mechanism in the whole universe mimicked, derided,
ridiculed by a psycho. And you can feel mighty funny
sometimes.

I've had this experience several times. Never more so than
when a raving psycho, one time, was telling me how I had to
audit him so that he could help people because he was going
to do so much for humanity, and so forth. Utterly raving.
And then he'd go off into a whole line of gibberish, you
know? And then he'd jump around and become very, very jerky
and then he'd say, "And you've got to audit me and help me
out because I'd be such a good auditor and I would help
people so much. And look how bad the situation is in the
Middle East and I would really like to help." And then he
would rave, you know, and he'd jump around. And I would
say, "Am I nuts to want to help people?" See? Do you get
the idea? He reached me.

Now, a psychotic is psychotic by an exaggeration of one,
two or three points in the countless points and virtues of
which a human being is capable. He just takes one, usually,
or two or three or some, and exaggerates these things
tremendously up to a point where they're totally critical.
And he actually is no longer writing in a Los Angeles
newspaper; he's no longer going on TV and criticizing
everything. He is living the criticism, don't you see? And
very often reaches people. They say, "I - I shouldn't be
helping people, because look at - look at the nuts, you know.
Look at the way people rave in an insane asylum." Now, the
funny part of it is, Help is one of the most severely used
buttons by psychos. It isn't any accident that every now
and then, every decade, a psychiatrist discovers help, you
know, and he lets the psychos in the institution help the
other psychos in the institution. He gets a few cures and
then they find out this isn't working uniformly. They
forget about it. In about ten years they rediscover it.
There's about a thousand other things they discover and
forget too. But this one is right there; it's right there
on the center of the button.

They, therefore, have described an insane person as one who
is desirous of helping others. And therefore they have
wiped this out as a psychiatric goal. You see how this
could be?

Audience: Mm-hm.

In other words, the criticism reached them, didn't it? Hm?
Actually, they were reached by this interesting criticism.

Now, that's all a psychotic's psychosis is supposed to do:
reach other people. Now, you remember that, huh? And it'll
never disturb you to the end of your days, because that is
the truth, the scalding truth of the matter. That's all
it's for.

And when he tells you he wants to be somebody in your
profession and he wants to do like you're doing - ha-ha! -
never so much as then, has he tried to criticize you.
"Here I am crazy and degraded and no good and messing
everything up, and I want to be just like you." I remember
one time, I was down in Greenwich Village with a couple
of marine officers and we were in a bar. Knowing lots of
marine officers and lots of marines, it would be very,
very hard to go to Greenwich Village and wind up in
any other place than a bar with a couple of marine
officers, particularly if they were going to have a good
time in town, and so forth. These are hard-living people.

And one of them was a great big guy and the other was a
very little short guy. And this pair of them used to work
in teams and a couple of drunks tried to challenge them and
beat them up and that sort of thing. But they backed it all
off until they ran into three drunks who were very
pugnacious. I used a mechanism at that time which probably
averted two or three deaths and the wreckage of a whole bar
and probably the hanging of the barkeep. Nothing quite so
tough and "Western" as a New York bar, you know? Liable to
have to walk down Fourteenth Street at dawn with your .45;
very tough area. But even this reached a guy.

These three guys were - the ringleader in particular - was
going to beat up these two marine officers. I was something
on the order of an innocent bystander.

Male voice: Yeah.

And the ringleader of these three guys - was getting tougher
and tougher, and I all of a sudden said, "Isn't your name
Smith?" And the fellow says, "Huh? Huh?"

"Isn't your name Smith?"

"No."

"You sure? Don't you come from Poughkeepsie?"

"No."

"Well, that's funny. I knew a guy just like you, looks just
like you, talked just like you. His name was Smith and he
came from Poughkeepsie. The absolute dead ringer for you;
looks just exactly like you! Same nose, same hair, same
chin, same build, same face. A good-looking guy." All
right, this guy to some degree is obsessively interested in
his mockup, don't you see? So he instantly gets interested
in what I'm saying, right in the middle of a fight, you
know? I was doing this by accident and later on knew the
mechanisms of what made it so startling.

And "Yeah," he says, "where is he now?"

And I said, "Oh, the poor fellow." I said, "In a bar just
like this one night, he got into a fight, I think with a
couple of soldiers. And one of them knocked the end off of
a bottle and worked him over, scored all the flesh off his
face, cut him to ribbons. And he lay there on the floor and
he bled, and he bled, and he bled, and he bled, and he
bled, and he bled, and he bled. And they finally took him
away. It was a horrible-looking sight. And he died and they
buried him." And this fellow's interest see, was - he says,
"The poor son of a bitch."

That was the end of that fight. Only periodically for the
remainder of the evening - because these three fellows then
tagged along with the two marine officers - I had to tell
them more about Smith.

Now, that's an example of reaching somebody with a
similarity and a mockery, see? It's a goofy mechanism.

But when an individual is very, very deeply absorbed in a
type of mockup, a type of computation, and when he's used
this to reach people, his interest can be reenlisted into
it just bang, like that.

So we get one of the characteristics of tests for the Rock.
There are several such tests and one of those: is the
person interested? That's one of your primary tests. And
this has very little to - I'm not going to mention what you
already know. It sticks a needle and anything else added to
it, we'll take that up in a moment.

But let's just look at these surface manifestations. It
doesn't make you crazy to be interested in your Rock.
You're way up the line in that you recognize you could have
one. Most everybody else is one! Slight difference of distance.

Now, the next thing that tells you is he didn't know it, or
doesn't know it - didn't or doesn't, you know? He can now
know it kind of intellectually, but it appears mighty blank
to him. But he didn't know it. Now, the "doesn't know it"
is quite interesting in that his not-knowingness has
amounted to a total irresponsibility on the subject. Now,
that's a characteristic of the Rock; in other words, the
not-knowingness.

Here's a weird thing: interest plus not-knowingness. Well,
that certainly makes a unique picture. People are usually
interested in things they know something about anyway, but
here you've come up with something he knew nothing about.
He was making it all the time and he's now not-knowing it
and doesn't know much else about it. That characteristic is
there.

Now, you can add as a subordinate characteristic to this,
that he goes sort of blank when he starts thinking about
it. The pc goes blank whenever he starts thinking about it.
To self-audit this thing would be utterly impossible,
because he always... I'll give you an example of
self-auditing. He goes out of session. You are busy
auditing a cookstove and having a time here and doing just
fine auditing cookstoves and hearths and sacred fires, and
doing fine. And he gets out of the session and he all of a
sudden runs into this thing that he knows is more Rock than
Rock. Get this now, because you're liable to get trapped by
a preclear sometime, huh? And he knows something that is
more Rock than the Rock you have found. He says, "Little
electric heaters, that's the real Rock. I know." And you
put him on the meter and cookstoves is just as solid as one
of its lids. And electric heaters is nice and free, sticks
for a moment maybe, but it is free. Well, boy, you look at
this. You say, "How could this man be that convinced that
it was electric heaters?" Well, it's because he doesn't
know, on cookstoves, and you're running through these pales
and curtains of not-knowingness. And he'll do that out of
session and in session and he can actually, after a while,
accept the fact that cookstoves are the Rock, intellectually.

He'll say, "I have something on cookstoves." When he's
coming back to repetitive evening sessions or something
like this and he's only spending an hour or two in an
auditing session, you get a different problem than an
intensive. An intensive has the advantage of not
accumulating as many PT problems as partial auditing, and
you get more auditing done, maybe as much as 50 percent
more. So - for - per unit of time.

So, you say, "How wonderful!" This individual can go on
evening after evening getting audited on cookstoves and he
can accept it intellectually that cookstoves are his Rock,
and that he has a blank on cookstoves. And he has explained
several times that the reason he isn't going into the
kitchen these days is there's a cookstove in there and he
knows he has something on cookstoves. But he comes back
into session and he's just as blank as could be.

Well, you are auditing cookstoves, which is the tip-off.
And here's the weird one. He accepts this intellectually,
then goes around on the other side of it and is fabulously
interested. Now, how can he run a not-know total interest?
Now, if that question can be asked, you're really on a Rock
chain with authority. See, that's the real basic
run-it-right-on-back chain.

See, he's interested in it and he keeps drawing a blank,
and sometimes will sit in session for five minutes, ten
minutes, fifteen minutes and in a few isolated cases, a
half an hour, with the auditor saying, "How could you help
a cookstove?" And the pc will sit there and say,
"Cookstove, cookstove. What the hell is a cookstove?
Cookstove? Cookstove? Cookstove, cookstove." And even one
of them I've heard of, finally asked for a dictionary and
said, "Could you please go get me a dictionary so - what I
can find - what this word is?" Her equivalent of cookstove
- just a total blank - what is it? It just ain't, that's all.

Now, if you're running something that's analogous to a body
part... You wouldn't ever run a nose, but supposing you
were running a nose - although some people use noses to reach
people.

If you were running a nose, the individual wouldn't have
any nose - longest time, you know? And finally get around to
it in session, saying, "I got one. What do you know! I got
a nose. And because I've looked at..." They always have a
logical explanation; leave it to a thetan to be reasonable.
"When I look past it with both eyes, it seems to be totally
thin and you can see through it, so therefore I have no
idea of the solidity of my nose. And that is why, in this
particular session while you've been running noses, that
I've had no reality on the nose." No, that isn't true at
all. The individual has total reality on something he has
no reality on. In other words, the Rock is made out of
these total contradictions and identifications. He has a
total reality on it because he has no reality on it. He has
total interest in it because he knows nothing about it. He
doesn't even know enough about it to name it or describe it
after you've been auditing it for a while.

This is a characteristic, another characteristic in a test
of whether or not you're running the Rock.

Now, an additional characteristic, as far as he's concerned
is, does the Rock have anything whatsoever to do with
creativeness in any way, shape or form? Now, if you're
doing a diagnosis on the Rock and you have five choices
that are more or less making the needle stick - let's say on
the subject of religion you have five choices, and you just
can't quite make up your mind which is which. They
sometimes free and sometimes stick and we just are mixed up
in it and we're not quite sure which is it and in
desperation, we're going to dive, on this particular case.
We would pick that one which was most closely associated
with creativeness.

Now, the Rock always has something to do with creativeness,
just as a cookstove has something to do with making good
dinners. And this is another criteria: that it's - has a
creativeness.

For instance, if you had, let's say in religion, your
choice amongst an altar, sacred fire, a temple and a
priestess and they were all sort of equally sticking, I can
tell you the one that'll come off first and easiest, even
though it isn't the Rock and though you'll have to go
earlier on it: priestess. It's most obviously creative.

A priestess, after all, can think of ideas at least, you
see, whereas a sacred fire isn't likely to think up any
ideas. Now, this doesn't necessarily follow in the
auditor's view. In some of these things, you can look in
vain for something that is creative and yet it's running
beautifully as a Rock. But eventually, you'll find out how
creative the item was. But creativeness is simply a
weighting factor. It weights the value of what you're
running, just slightly.

Now, wherever we look in scouting, we'll find certain rules
being obeyed. And one of these rules is that the Rock is
that chain of incidents or incident being obsessively
created by the preclear with total unknowingness, in which
his concepts of reality are completely wrapped up, totally
involved, and which at no time will spring into anything
like a reality in absence of auditing.

This is like a fellow being run by a total command station
which doesn't have anything to do with him. He doesn't know
about it; he's making it up all the time. It runs him, and
so forth. Now, the Rock ordinarily, routinely contains
physical pain and unconsciousness. It obeys all the rules
and regulations concerning engrams, secondaries and locks.
It is actually an engram chain and obeys everything in Book
One. It has no vagaries or variations; it has no other
special characteristics.

Its characteristics and conditions are those of a special
engram or series of engrams. Therefore, we can unburden a
Rock and if we don't get the right Rock the first time - the
right part of the Rock the first time - it will run flat and
run free.

Now, let me give you an example of this. We have somebody
on an E-Meter and we've got "temple," and boy, temple is
just rigid there, see? So, we get Greek temple, and that
goes off and frees up. Greek temple frees up. So we go back
to temple and we get a stick, a fixity on the needle. And
then we say, "Well, let's take parts of temple; let's take
pillars." And it sticks. Again, pillars stick very easily.
All right? Now, all of a sudden, pillars free up. And we
say, "temple" again and it sticks once more.

Get the idea? We're taking things off the top of the
central stuck thing we ran into in the first place. Now,
the opposite can happen. We can run into "pillar" which
would also stick the first time we found it, you see? And
we'd run into "pillar." And then we would say, "temple."
"Pillar" would free up and "temple" would stick. You get
the idea. So, we've selected out now, between these two,
we've selected out "temple" and we're now on "temple."
Therefore the rule is: Anything that frees up during a
scout isn't it and anything that sticks is it until it
frees up. And that which doesn't free up on two-way
communication, will free up on auditing. This you mustn't
overlook. This is one of those horrible little simple
statements that everybody drives by and says, "I wonder
where I got lost." And it was that little signpost way
back there.

A scout, and the behavior of a needle in a scout, is
similar to the behavior of a needle during actual auditing;
and if, while you're scouting for the Rock with an E-Meter
on a preclear, you're going along very nicely, you're
freeing off locks - things that are associated. When you
first hit them they're stuck. Then you talk about them for
a moment and the needle goes free on them and you have to
come back to what you're investigating, or choose something
else you're investigating, you see? So, it goes free and
then you've still got your basic "temple," you might say.
And then "cornices" goes free and you've still got a
temple. And then "friezes" go free and you've still got a
temple. And you find "priestesses" and they go free and
you've still got a temple. You get the idea? And you just
keep coming back to this thing.

Temple, temple - you can free things off the top of it but
it itself doesn't free. At long last, you decide that it is
going to take something else than two-way comm to audit out
a temple. And that is why you use a process on it.

But if you do not find it sticking in the presence of
two-way comm, you wouldn't use a process on it, would you?
And if the whole Rock would free up just on two-way comm,
which by some faint chance might some day happen to
somebody, very unlikely, but if the whole Rock freed up on
two-way comm, that's the way you'd free it up! You'd never
get anything to stick consistently hard enough and long
enough, persistently enough, for you to ever use a process
on. The thing would just keep stripping down, stripping
down until you just didn't have any stuck left of any kind
whatsoever and you couldn't find any stuck of any kind on
the whole remainder of the case. Then you would have taken
the Rock off with two-way comm. You got the idea? Well,
now, theoretically you can do this! Why? Because it's a
lock chain that goes into some secondaries that goes into
some engrams, and you could theoretically talk the fellow
out of each one of these. Only one slight difficulty: you
might key them out without knocking them out. You see, the
Rock chain might just key out and then he's in fine shape
for the next year or so and then all of a sudden he
collapses. He wouldn't be in very fine shape; there'd still
be a lot of bits and pieces and odds and ends around, you
know, but he'd have keyed out so that his needle looked
fairly free and so forth.

You could talk him out of being in the Rock! Now, the
process Responsibility always does this. Responsibility,
"What could you be responsible for?" is a key-out process,
not a good solid wipeout process. See? It's a little
pat-on-the-head process and you just get him to shove that
mass aside, step out of that point in time, exteriorize
from that problem.

You don't do anything to the problem. The one that does
something to the problem is "Invent a problem of comparable
magnitude." Now, that is a process which actually smashes
in the head the problem itself. It's a frontal attack;
attacks directly and changes the actual situation,
existence and pattern. Do you see that? So, don't be
shocked some day if you run a lot of Responsibility on
somebody and then find out it all keys back in tomorrow,
because all the Responsibility did in the first place was
to key it out. That's a key-out. It is not comparable to
other processes - therapeutic, you see? It just gets
something aside.

Now, if you wanted to get this problem went, gone and
disappeared forever, you would say, "Invent a problem of
comparable magnitude." Now, scouting with Responsibility
- don't be surprised if the whole thing comes back in next
Tuesday, that you so happily and safely got rid of and got
out of the way. Don't you see? Don't be a bit surprised.

Similarly, two-way comm can either key out or knock out.
Now, if a person finally, suddenly knows something by
reason of running Responsibility or if he suddenly knows
something (has a cognition, you know) with relationship to
two-way comm, then we discover something brand-new. The
knowingness was therapeutic, you see? And the fact that he
found something out by running Responsibility or two-way
comm made that piece of knowingness not only key out but
handle some little bit of what you were trying to audit.
You got that? So, there are ways of kicking the Rock out of
the road without getting rid of the Rock. And
Responsibility and two-way comm are the basic ways this is
done. You key the Rock out; you don't erase it. Now, having
located the thing, you run a process on it and a process is
something that erases, eradicates, gets it gone, wipes it
out, alters and changes the pattern of creativeness of the
case. And Help is the one that does that one. Boom! You
start running Help on something, don't ever try to
stabilize it again, the way it was. With what finality does
Help handle something? That makes it a pretty terrific
process, because Help and creativeness are blood brothers.
Help usually is that thing used to put persistence on
creativeness and once you've spoiled somebody's persistence
factor on that handy little gimmick, a death's head that he
keeps mocking up all the time, once that persistence factor
is knocked out on that particular item, to put it in
exactly the same way again is completely beyond his ability.

So now - now we're talking about key-out versus erasure. So
once you've isolated and located something, you could say
that you have knocked a lot of stuff off the top of it.
Now, you would be incorrect, see? You keyed out a lot of
stuff off the top of it; you keyed a lot of it out. And you
can be so good at keying it out that having lost it all,
you could say we've gotten the Rock. And it might stay
keyed-out for a whole year. See, you never audited the
Rock; you just simply talked it out of the road.

Now, those pieces would stay keyed-out that he found sudden
knowingness on. Wherever he recovered a little piece of
knowingness, you've got an erasure. So, those are quite
accidental. The individual says, "Oh, I'd forgotten all
about that particular church. I didn't remember that
church. What do you know? It was right down there on the
corner and there it was, ha!" You're not going to get an
aberration again on that church, see? But you say, "Sacred
fire," and it keys out. He never says, "Hey, what do you
know? Yeah, Greece, I remember," you know, or anything like
this, or "Is that why I always jump when I see the torch of
knowledge?" or something like this, you know? He doesn't
know anything more; it just keys out on the E-Meter. Well,
anything that just keys out on the E-Meter on two-way comm,
without knowing any more about it, can darned well key
right back in again. Got that? Even though it takes him a
half a lifetime to get it all back keyed-in once more,
he'll manage it.

So, a characteristic here, of scouting, can be stated very
easily: Those things which key out, of course, are keying
out. The Rock itself basically could simply get lost by
having all of its key-ins disappear. (See Book One for
these technical terms.) All the key-ins of the Rock
disappear. Now, the thing might be able to float for
another three generations before it develops a new key-in.
But from there on, he's in trouble just the same way he was
before. Don't you see? It disappeared but it's still there.

Now, oppose this to the proposition of erasing it with an
actual and accurate process.

Now, in looking for a Rock, there are certain rules which
are followed. One is that that which frees up - that item
connected with the item that you have found stuck, which
frees up - isn't it. It is simply a - you've just keyed
something out. And that which stays keyed-in is what you
follow. And as stuck a needle as possible is what you
pursue. And as you keep taking things off of the needle,
you keep finding things that aren't the Rock.

A sudden slamming needle we know little about but is
apparently a designation that you're somewhere around the
Rock chain. That is a symptom. A hard one to handle because
it - the needle is actually stuck but it is slamming. Do you
get the idea? And you don't know what it is stuck on or
what it isn't stuck on. You sometimes have to settle one of
these needles down before you can get going anywhere. So, I
just disregard one. I know I'm near the Rock chain when I'm
near the Rock chain without the E-Meter helping me out that
much - slamming from corner to corner of the dial, you know,
saying, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, Ron, Rock, Rock, Rock!" You
know? I'm looking for it to say, "wherein." I know where I
am and where the pc is, and I don't need too much symptom.
But you'll find the needle doing that: erratic slams. When
you get near a Rock chain, you get erratic slams.

Now, you follow the track of what stays stuck. Now, what
does "stuck" mean? "Stuck" means persistent reaction with
very narrow fluctuations. And if you don't know that one,
then you will never really pin an almost fixed needle down.
Every time you say, "temple," you get an almost fixed
needle, see? Then you go on to something else and the
needle vacillates and does this and that and so forth. And
you get onto "horse harness" and other aberrative things.
And you get back finally and all of a sudden you remember
that you have some kind of a little consistent reaction on
"temple," see? And you come back to "temple" - it's still
doing it. Ha-ha! Ha-ha! And then you go off onto "sacred
fire" and "priest" and "priestess" and "hymnbooks" and
"spires" and "crosses" and "crucifixes" and "cats" and
"mice" and other religious things. And it just frees up and
goes this way and goes that way but every time you come
back to "temple" or something like that, it still does this
little funny dance.

Well now, that is a consistency of performance, isn't it,
on the part of a needle. "Temple" behaves in a certain way.

A preclear can be so exteriorized from the Rock and
yo-yoing, that all you see of the Rock is a theta bop and
that's why some of you miss it. You've got to pin that bop
but he's obsessively exteriorizing all the time he's on the
Rock. And you'll get a theta bop. Every time you mention
"temple," you get a theta bop. And you'll say, "Well, we
want a stuck needle; we don't want that thing." What's a
theta bop? That means: if I went in any closer to it, I
would be stuck like mad. So, I've got to stay this far out
from it, and even though I keep going this way in
life - yo-yo-yo-yo-yo, which is what your hunt is - that's
still much safer, you know, and to be close in to that
"temple." You discuss "temples" a little bit; you take a
few locks off of "temples," you remove a few things, and
all of a sudden "temple" is stuck.

Now, when a needle is finally stuck - don't go too far astray
on this - when a needle is finally stuck (exclamation
point), brother, is it stuck! Sometimes you have to audit
the actual Rock for a while before you get a finally
totally stuck needle and then you could crank an E-Meter up
to 16 and it really looks "Rock." That's basically where
the thing got its name; the needle sticks like a rock.

See, you got so much exteriorization, so much yo-yo from
the thing, that you got this little theta bop,
hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt, hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt. Every time you
mention "temple," hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt-hunt, you
got the pc in a facsimile which contains an
exteriorization, see? There's an engram there with
exteriorization connected with the thing, and he's not
going to get a stuck needle. See? He's just going to get a
theta bop, until you work that thing down.

Now, of course, by keying some things out in connection
with it, you then take a little charge off of the topmost
lock that you were working with there. You take some charge
off of it and the thing can settle down and you might say
the pc can light. And then you'll get a stuck needle. So, a
theta bop must never be neglected. Now, that's the use of a
theta bop in finding the Rock.

The next thing - I know you've been educated to believe that
a stuck needle would simply show up and stick-wham. If
you're good enough and persuasive enough and work at it
long enough, yes, you'll always get a stuck needle. But
that is not your early manifestation; your early
manifestation may be just a little bit of a hunt. Every
time you hit anything on religious subjects or every time
you hit anything about war, you get a-an odd change in the
needle. That's the - change is what you look for first.

Now, the next one is the additive rise. When that needle
starts rising on something - you said, "temple" and then you
said, "hymnbook" and then you said, "temple" and it stuck,
you see. Maybe there's a little theta bop; it's not fixed
absolutely but there it is and you're saying "temple." And
then you say, "hymnbook." Ho-ho-ho. The needle starts to
rise, needle starts to rise just as nice up to the top of
the scale, and it would go on rising as long as you talked
about "hymnbooks." Now, you stop talking about "hymnbooks,"
and it stops rising. Neh-heh. Is that of any use to you? Yes.

He'd never thought of hanging this one on the Rock and the
auditor in this particular case has acted as the key-in
mechanism. And it's the auditor who has keyed in
"hymnbooks" and he never before has had "hymnbooks" added
to the Rock. And you've added something new to the
aberrative chain, all by your little lonesome.

And that is very good diagnosis because it says, "Look what
kind of thing adds to the Rock chain. "Hymnbook!" Ha-ha! We
are on a religious chain after all, aren't we? We must be
on a religious chain because nothing else adds to the silly
thing but "hymnbook." Now, we might go around and find
some - this would be a dirty trick to go around latter-day
and add some new things to it and see if it still rose
every time we added a new religious thing. So we'd add
"automobiles" and we just got nowhere, you see? And we'd
add "office buildings" and we'd get nowhere. See, that
proves our null on these items. And then we would say -
then we would say, "the Holy Rollers," you know? "The Holy
Rollers," and we get zduuuuu; we get an additive rise. And
we say, "Oh, boy, we got the Rock," see? We've got the Rock
but it is at some little distance from what we're talking
about and we haven't got it nailed yet. But we have
actually selected out a class of subjects which add to the
Rock, and this is as fully a good a test as actually
sticking a needle.

We've at least got the class of subjects. Now, let's rack
around inside this class till we find something maybe that
theta bops; and if we find something that theta bops, let's
take things associated with it and get some of the "bop"
off, see, so that the needle sticks. And the next thing you
know, let's hunt things off of the top of the thing until
we finally get a good fixed needle which thereafter isn't
going to audit short of auditing.

We want to get the needle in such bad shape that only a
powerful process can budge it - we've got the Rock. You
follow me? There are special Rocks. There is one special
Rock that would beat you to death in trying to find out
what it was. We won't take that up in this particular
lecture; we'll take that up later.

The rule of the establishment of Rocks is this: that with
which the preclear has attempted to reach people or things
to enhance or suppress creativeness. That's the central rule.

Your central Rock question for all Rocks of any kind is:
What would reach people? What would reach things? And that
is an analytical question which reaps real paydirt. And
that is what the Rock is for.

A ridge is an energy mass created by reach and withdraw -
1952. And the ridge and the stuckness of the needle, is
caused by a reach and withdraw. The individual used
something to reach with - he reached, he reached, he
reached, he reached, he reached. Then he failed and he
started to withdraw. And every time he'd reach, he'd try to
withdraw. And finally reach became withdraw. And finally he
had a ridge. And when you hit this ridge on an E-Meter, you
get a stuck needle and when you audit on brackets, you undo
the ridge.

And Help is the keyest button there is to undo anything
because that is the primary persistence button and so the
whole thing comes apart. And that's the basic rule
concerning the Rock, and so on.

Now, you can scout for responsibility, "What have you had
to be responsible for?" and other things, if you were
having a great deal of trouble trying to get your pc pinned
down. But a constantly rising needle is a special case and
we'll take that up later.

A needle which rises on everything at all times, and so
forth, is the easiest needle to stick of all. That is just
nothing. But these that don't stick very hard and aren't
very aberrative and you hunt and punch around on, they
sometimes can be absolute killers.

But Sherlock Holmes himself would be a punk at this
business, so I want to compliment you on doing very well so
far. And I am just proud as Punch for the fact that so many
have cases wheeling now as they do have. And we're going to
get rid of these things.

I can even tell you how to key out the whole of your
auditing, to key out the whole of the Rock all at one fell
swoop with one auditing question - wham. Now, that merely
keys it out, doesn't much examine it and so forth.
Certainly puts a person in wonderful shape. You want to use
a technique like that on a fellow like Paul Coates, so the
week after you audit him, it'll all fall in again.

Okay, I think you're doing fine.

Did the data I gave you today help you out any?

Audience: Yes.

All right. Thank you very much.

[End of lecture.]

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